Marxism, what's so bad about it?

[Kade]

Protecting the baby's right to live would be a better way to put it, protecting the baby's right to not have its rights infringed by force.

Everything is semantics, everything is words... it's funny how quickly you turn around and use the same logic backwards... none of you see the irony?

What method would be used to get the woman to keep the baby?

Force.

Stay pregnant, carry the baby for 9 months, ripping your insides apart and deliver, like a good spiritual American, and give us more labor... or suffer the consequences of the State.

Nice.

 

[Truth Warrior]

If I could poo money, I would have way fewer problems.

Just get a job at the Fed. They specialize in that.

 

[Zolah]

Everything is semantics, everything is words... it's funny how quickly you turn around and use the same logic backwards... none of you see the irony?

What method would be used to get the woman to keep the baby?

Force.

Stay pregnant, carry the baby for 9 months, ripping your insides apart and deliver, like a good spiritual American, and give us more labor... or suffer the consequences of the State.

Nice.

Nice spin but no cigar, you don't have the right to kill a person, and proportionate force can be appropriate to stop you from doing so.

I don't actually have a very strong oppinion on the abortion issue though, just giving the argument.

 

[Kade]

Nice spin but no cigar, you don't have the right to kill a person, and proportionate force can be appropriate to stop you from doing so.

I don't actually have a very strong oppinion on the abortion issue though, just giving the argument.

So any act that you perform, if it can conceivably be proven to "kill a person" appropriate force can be used to stop that act?

I'm starting to lean towards making women into the State Incubators as well... I realized I was arguing on the wrong side, why would I? A tall, attractive, well laid young man, want to continue to promote abortion rights?

I could be an major evolutionary success...

 

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

Exactly nonsensicalian!

I present, "Expecting Food".

A two part artistic representation of two stages of life. One side, suffering because it must wait longer for food, and the other side, suffering because it waited too long for food.

It also displays the unusual nature of humanity, in that often we can eat that which eats us.


I imagine that human culture gave us something wholly unique, the concept that perhaps suffering is the cause of all expectation?

mmm ok. not having something and expecting it to magically be there are two different things.
You may "know" a lot of facts, but you are as unoriginal a thinker as they come, contrary to your delusion of grandeur.

 

[acptulsa]

I thoroughly approve of Marxism provided it is this brand of it:

 

[Acala]

Really?

After skipping all the ad hominem and diversionary Kadespew, we have this:

That being said, I don't support socialism, and I am a free exchange absolutist.

Maybe we are getting somewhere now.

Perhaps I have misunderstood you. I thought you were an advocate of government as a tool for extracting property from one group or class of people and giving it to another? That has certainly been Obama's position his whole career and you WERE an Obama supporter, correct? I know you have learned your lesson there (you ARE getting some lessons in real life now aren't you young fella?), but that certainly couldn't be because of any turn he took toward socialism because he was already there. So you WERE supporting an openly socialist candidate. And you do seem to be flinching away from the hard truth about the physically coercive nature of all government activity, as all good socialists must, so it was only natural for me to assume that you were a socialist since, well you exhibit all the characteristics. But apparently I was wrong.

So a free exchange absolutist is what exactly?

Now try and resist your habit of responding to difficult questions with venom and rage. Take a deep breath and explain yourself. Bless us morons with more of your teachings.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I thoroughly approve of Marxism provided it is this brand of it:

qft!

+ a bazillion

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." -- Groucho Marx

 

[Kade]

mmm ok. not having something and expecting it to magically be there are two different things.
You may "know" a lot of facts, but you are as unoriginal a thinker as they come, contrary to your delusion of grandeur.

Your're right, because so many people think the way I do...



I'm sorry, have you met the bus?

 

[Kade]

After skipping all the ad hominem and diversionary Kadespew, we have this:

Maybe we are getting somewhere now.

Perhaps I have misunderstood you. I thought you were an advocate of government as a tool for extracting property from one group or class of people and giving it to another? That has certainly been Obama's position his whole career and you WERE an Obama supporter, correct? I know you have learned your lesson there (you ARE getting some lessons in real life now aren't you young fella?), but that certainly couldn't be because of any turn he took toward socialism because he was already there. So you WERE supporting an openly socialist candidate. And you do seem to be flinching away from the hard truth about the physically coercive nature of all government activity, as all good socialists must, so it was only natural for me to assume that you were a socialist since, well you exhibit all the characteristics. But apparently I was wrong.

So a free exchange absolutist is what exactly?

Now try and resist your habit of responding to difficult questions with venom and rage. Take a deep breath and explain yourself. Bless us morons with more of your teachings.

I'll answer this when it stops dripping with sarcasm, personal insults, and wild assumptions.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Your're right, because so many people think the way I do...



I'm sorry, have you met the bus?

Mass transit on the RED line.

 

[Acala]

Ahahahaha

I'll answer this when it stops dripping with sarcasm, personal insults, and wild assumptions.

Dude, do you ever READ your own posts? You are the most consistently insulting and sarcastic poster on this board.

But I give you credit for at least changing the methods you use to avoid unpleasant truths about your own positions. Plan A for Kade to avoid a question is to hurl insults. Plan B now seems to be to pout and play the vicitm.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Dude, do you ever READ your own posts? You are the most consistently insulting and sarcastic poster on this board.

But I give you credit for at least changing the methods you use to avoid unpleasant truths about your own positions. Plan A for Kade to avoid a question is to hurl insults. Plan B now seems to be to pout and play the vicitm.

"The end justifies the means." -- Karl Marx

 

[Truth Warrior]

I want less government than you.

We can discuss that when we get down to that last 5%. Until then, degrees are moot.<IMHO>

 

[priest_of_syrinx]

Everything is semantics, everything is words... it's funny how quickly you turn around and use the same logic backwards... none of you see the irony?

What method would be used to get the woman to keep the baby?

Force.

Stay pregnant, carry the baby for 9 months, ripping your insides apart and deliver, like a good spiritual American, and give us more labor... or suffer the consequences of the State.

Nice.

I understand how it would be nearly impossible to enforce any abortion laws, but how can you actually morally justify the killing of a fetus, and where do you think that life actually starts? When is it murder to remove a fetus? When isn't it murder to remove a fetus?

 

[Conza88]

Your're right, because so many people think the way I do...

Yeah, like 95% of America.

 

[Kade]

Dude, do you ever READ your own posts? You are the most consistently insulting and sarcastic poster on this board.

But I give you credit for at least changing the methods you use to avoid unpleasant truths about your own positions. Plan A for Kade to avoid a question is to hurl insults. Plan B now seems to be to pout and play the vicitm.

Those are plans C and D actually.

It appears you dealt with the situation in a way you yourself admonish.

Plan Acala: Giving Medicine to Dead People, since 2008.

 

[Kade]

I understand how it would be nearly impossible to enforce any abortion laws, but how can you actually morally justify the killing of a fetus, and where do you think that life actually starts? When is it murder to remove a fetus? When isn't it murder to remove a fetus?

I cannot justify it to your satisfaction, I can justify leaving the State out of it.

 

[user]

Alright, im no socialist, but i regretfully admit that i am intrigued by some Marxist philosophy, although i've barely read into it at all. Im currently debating a relative on Free Market Capitalism vs Socialism, and im getting confused, and hes winning. Apparently there isnt even currency in a Marxist society, so obviously this is some extreme socialism that im not sure how to deal with.

I understand that the ends do not justify the means but, im debating someone who really seems to know alot about marxism, and is able to spin it in such a way that sounds pretty nice.


Can you guys give me some hard hitting points against Marxism to use?

Marxism leads inevitably to poverty, hunger, and death.

Hard-hitting enough?

 

[Truth Warrior]

I swear, that's just about the worst case of cognitive dissonance that I've ever seen, I believe.

Lawyers! The larval stage of politicians.