Marine pioneering effort to move women into combat

[angelatc]

Women as a gender are much more ruthless than men..

I'm pretty indifferent about combat duty, my gut says no but my head says yes..

Me too. I'm torn, because I like to be taken care of. I have two boys and a husband. I can't remember the last time I carried anything heavy. Not because I can't, but because I don't have to.

But on the other hand, I don't need men to take care of me. I have no doubt that I could protect myself and my property just fine. But women are different. I can't imagine some of my girly-girl friends being told they needed to crawl though mud.

But again, back to that first hand - you guys are saying that women shouldn't be in combat because hearing a feminine shout of pain would be too upsetting for the man? Uh.....

The best idea is to stop the damned wars. If the enemy invades us, there will be enough killing for everybody.

 

[angelatc]

Just wait until they start drafting women. It is not going to be a voluntary thing for most of them in the future.

On the bright side, we'll be able to watch the abortion rate sink like a stone.

 

[AFPVet]

Well, in the Air Force, women are already members of Security Forces (military police, security, and counter sniper). There was even one SF girl who took out an insurgent with a .50 at a pretty good distance.

 

[SeanTX]

You know a war is meaningless when they start talking about dumb shit like this.

Yes, if we were in a war like WW2/Vietnam/Korea with mass casualties this subject wouldn't even come up, at least until the war was over.

And serving in a combat MOS is no great prize -- unless you are Special Operations (Navy SEAL, Delta, etc) it doesn't even count for much anyway.

You won't ever see Glenn Beck or Tom Clancy or any of the other Neocon chickenhawks hanging around with regular old grunts or even mentioning them -- you have to be one of the "elite" special operator types to be good enough hang out with them (even though they never served at all themselves).

 

[Anti Federalist]

Uhm, I had a rifle around that age.

You know what I mean...

 

[Anti Federalist]

I see your point. Hitler Youth or for that matter Jihadist kids strapped with bombs is ridiculous. However, were talking about a voluntary force versus a conscripted one.

Not to belabor the point, but, that voluntary force will get thrown in the woods the second we get dragged into fighting a "real" war again against a real adversary.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Tell that to the Russians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snipers_of_the_Soviet_Union

Snipers of the Soviet Union played an important role mainly on the Eastern Front of World War II, apart from other preceding and subsequent conflicts. In World War II, Soviet snipers used the 7.62x54R rifle cartridge with light, heavy, armour-piercing (B-30), armour-piercing-and-incendiary (B-32), zeroing-and-incendiary (P3), and tracer bullets. Most Soviet WWII snipers carried a combat load of 120 rifle cartridges in the field.[2] Unlike the militaries of other nations, these snipers could be men or women. In 1943, there were over 2,000 women functioning in this role.[3]


and helped defend St. Petersburg from the Nazi's

The USSR didn't have as much leisure to choose like we do. They weren't separated from Germany by an ocean. If it had been possible, it's most likely the women would've stayed home like they did during the war against the Russo-Franco war against Napoleon.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

Female will have to understand there are risks like...

Sexual Harassment/rape from fellow soldiers
Sexual Harassment/rape from being captured by enemy
Seeing boyfriend blown up (even though its probably against protocol to fraternize with others, you know it will happen)

 

[idiom]

Tell them what?

France had very low birth rates post WW1, despite not lacking in women folk.

 

[AFPVet]

Female will have to understand there are risks like...

Sexual Harassment/rape from fellow soldiers
Sexual Harassment/rape from being captured by enemy
Seeing boyfriend blown up (even though its probably against protocol to fraternize with others, you know it will happen)

This happens more than people realize. Although it's against the UCMJ to fraternize with commissioned or warrant officers, we had a few people on the same flight who engaged in relationships. Our leadership just split them up when we went to work lol.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm13423.htm

 

[smhbbag]

I am 5'10, 210lbs, and 20% body fat.

And I am probably more prepared for a combat unit right now than the most elite female Marines. I can do 5 pull-ups, which puts me near the very best of female Marines. And I'm doing it while lifting 70-90 more pounds over the bar than they do.

My bones are the bones of a man, which means those women have 3-5 times the risk of a stress fracture under heavy load than I do. My overall risk of stress injury is lower because my muscles, ligaments, and tendons have been carrying a woman's full combat load (body weight + gear) for my entire life just as daily living. My hands, back, neck, knees, hips, and ankles are stronger.

I am not exceptional, and could probably barely pass the Marine PFT right now. But I could drag or carry a 200lb wounded soldier.

A woman in battle dress strikes me the same as a man in a skirt. Both should be laughed at, pitied, or scorned. Unfortunately, we now take them both seriously.

 

[smhbbag]

http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/article/get-over-it-we-are-not-all-created-equal

Combat units are groups of pack mules that occasionally take a break to fight. Women are not built to be pack mules.

 

[idiom]

http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/article/get-over-it-we-are-not-all-created-equal

Combat units are groups of pack mules that occasionally take a break to fight. Women are not built to be pack mules.

Get over yourself.

 

[smhbbag]

Get over yourself.

I knew someone was going to bring out these irrelevant pictures. What is absent is any data regarding their rates of physical problems from such work, especially compared to men who do similar things. We have piles and piles of data from our armed forces, and they show exactly what I'm saying.

 

[Anti Federalist]

And this is the society we wish to build?

A 30 year life span, hauling bricks on your head?

Certainly that is what the global government/NWO/Agenda 21 crowd wishes for us.

Get over yourself.

 

[idiom]

Oh, yes we should be restricting other peoples options in life for their own good.

Which forum am I even on?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Oh, yes we should be restricting other peoples options in life for their own good.

Which forum am I even on?

LOL - But I thought an employer could set whatever restrictions they wished to place on employees?

The MIC is one of the biggest employers around.

They don't have the right to choose which employees they wish to hire?

That said, come for my daughter in a draft, and there will be a fight.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

LOL - But I thought an employer could set whatever restrictions they wished to place on employees?

The MIC is one of the biggest employers around.

They don't have the right to choose which employees they wish to hire?

That said, come for my daughter in a draft, and there will be a fight.

She's not yours, she belongs to the STATE you glorified babysitter!

 

[carclinic]

One small step for woMAN

One giant leap for porno

 

[idiom]

So... women are allowed to defend themselves with guns... unless they are being paid to do it, in which case only men are good enough?