Marine Corp veteran Brandon Raub arrested last night

Looks like these people obviously know what they are doing, and aren't afraid to be held accountable. Most of you guys are focused on why this man was detained without charge, what I find interesting, and very thankful for, is that they didn't arrest the surrounding witnesses, and allow themselves to be filmed (if they're not going to justify their actions, why spare innocent witnesses and let them talk about it). My speculation is, the story isn't as simple as "he posted on facebook, they came for him for that".
 
Well he must have posted something really crazy, since people in groups like the New Black Panther Party like to make direct threats to kill people because of the color of their skin and they don't get hauled off.
 
Expatriate said:
Well he must have posted something really crazy, since people in groups like the New Black Panther Party like to make direct threats to kill people because of the color of their skin and they don't get hauled off.
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because we all know the government only acts with just cause...

edit:

https://twitter.com/Rep_DanGordon/status/236615112562188288

screenshots of facebook posts:
http://libertycrier.com/u-s-constitution/former-marine-arrested-by-fbi-for-patriotic-facebook-posts/
 
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Military Oath:

""I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

So what would you follow if the orders you swear to obey are unlawful but are enforced?
 
SilenceDewgooder said:
Military Oath:

""I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

So what would you follow if the orders you swear to obey are unlawful but are enforced?
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You are not expected to obey UNLAWFUL orders.
These articles require the obedience of LAWFUL orders. An order which is unlawful not only does not need to be obeyed, but obeying such an order can result in criminal prosecution of the one who obeys it. Military courts have long held that military members are accountable for their actions even while following orders -- if the order was illegal.
http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/militarylaw1/a/obeyingorders.htm
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Dr.3D said:
You are not expected to obey UNLAWFUL orders.
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Vet myself and I am aware of not following unlawful orders. But if you also challenge the lawfulness of the orders to more people who you are sworn to obey. So what do you do if you realize the orders you have already executed were unlawful? A 2nd tier of that is the unlawfulness of the laws that have been passed.
 
Other news from this week - I think it was 60 minutes (could be wrong) that covered the suicides of military members in which they were actively seeking help but told they would have to wait for an extended period of time or quickly given prescription pills and sent on their way.

Then 2 days ago and covered by several media outlets that the Army was averaging a suicide per day -- keep in mind that is just the Army. Now throw in the thread post and look how quickly this vet was taken away for "psychiatric evaluation" after a post on FB.
 
SilenceDewgooder said:
Other news from this week - I think it was 60 minutes (could be wrong) that covered the suicides of military members in which they were actively seeking help but told they would have to wait for an extended period of time or quickly given prescription pills and sent on their way.

Then 2 days ago and covered by several media outlets that the Army was averaging a suicide per day -- keep in mind that is just the Army. Now throw in the thread post and look how quickly this vet was taken away for "psychiatric evaluation" after a post on FB.
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So true and sad, and it just goes to show who they're really trying to protect... Themselves...

But people have to realize that, even though I hate it that they've pretty much quashed the people's ability to even non-violently overthrow a corrupt government like our founding fathers said we should, making threats of violence is not considered protected speech and yes, will likely get you a visit from the FBI.

However, for them to arrest him and haul him off for "psych evaluations", I'd like to hope that they had much more to go on, but regardless, that is the part of this story that is much more disturbing than are the vague threatening remarks he was making. (Of course this is all just based on what we know now though, and that's very little).
 
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SilenceDewgooder said:
Vet myself and I am aware of not following unlawful orders. But if you also challenge the lawfulness of the orders to more people who you are sworn to obey. So what do you do if you realize the orders you have already executed were unlawful? A 2nd tier of that is the unlawfulness of the laws that have been passed.
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That was my problem when I was in the service. If I challenged an order, it was quite often I was told to do as I was told. If you dare challenge an order and then later they decide your challenge was disobeying a direct and lawful order, you would find yourself in a serious situation.

I seriously doubt you have much choice as to challenging what you believe to be an unlawful order and not finding yourself in serious trouble afterward. The only thing left for you to do is to be a sacrificial lamb for the cause of decency. Depending on how serious the unlawful order is, I guess it's a matter of deciding to give up your life for what you believe.
 
SilenceDewgooder said:
Military Oath:

""I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

So what would you follow if the orders you swear to obey are unlawful but are enforced?
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Reminds me of this quote from Jaime Lannister

So many vows. They make you swear and swear. Obey the king, obey your father, protect the innocent, defend the weak. What if your father despises the king? What if the king massacres the innocent? It’s too much. No matter what you do, you’re forsaking one vow or another.
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He had a website, brandonjraub.com, that has been "suspended." Maybe he was posting more threatening things there?

Anyone heard any updates?
 
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Yeah I posted a broken link..didnt know if we could direct link to sites like that on here.
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I dunno if we can either... but I suspect this link wouldn't be a problem.
I didn't notice the dot in it till a bit later. :o
 
Very interesting. It seems like an optimal situation for the government to demonstrate the virtues of the NDAA in the wake of all the recent shootings.
 
Anti Federalist said:
The metric used to be making a specific and act-able threat against a specifically named public "official".

Then it progressed to making generalized threats.

Now, it seems, that making vague, generalized and non threatening "threats" is enough to get you locked up.

In a few years, we'll be getting hauled off for muttering under our breath in our own home.

Yay, Amerika.
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Exactly.
 
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