Marine Corp veteran Brandon Raub arrested last night

[low preference guy]

If they are not going to charge him, he should be released.

there is a law that allows them to commit him to a psychiatric ward if he is considered to have a psychiatric problem that is an imminent threat to himself or others. they're using that.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

there is a law that allows them to commit him to a ward if he is considered to have a psychiatric problem that is an imminent threat to himself or others. they're using that.

There's a crap load of people in power that you could say that about, look at all the harm (hey, that's the name of one of my songs).

 

[sailingaway]

Well now you know:



Words of Brandon Raub

I’m starting the Revolution. I’m done waiting. 8/10/12
Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads. 8/13/12
The Revolution will come for me. Men will be at my door soon to pick me up to lead it. 8/14/12
The Revolution is here. And I will lead it. 8/14/12

but don't people here say 'bring the R3VOLution meaning just a change in thinking? and my understanding is that the axe line is directly from a song. (I don't know any song like that, but I read that somewhere. Can't confirm)

I don't get the last two lines but it still seems very very slim to think he's going to actually do something in the near future. It sounds more like 'come the Revolution!' crap people had to write in college to get decent grades from Marxist professors at one point. Angsty beatniks wrote it for generations with nary a revolution in sight. But whatever. I didn't read his other pages, just the one I cut and pasted. I just don't think words without more justify this except under really egregious circumstances and I don't see those here.

Honestly, when they can drag someone off just for being melodramatic on facebook, they have created a standard that is no standard at all, since they can use it or not, at will.

 

[low preference guy]

He made it clear that he was ready to start the revolution, something about severing heads and that he is coming for them. While holding a rifle in his avatar.

that's not very different from Sarah Palin telling her supporters to reload.

It was stupid of him.

if anyone is stupid, it's you.

 

[newbitech]

Well now you know:



Words of Brandon Raub

I’m starting the Revolution. I’m done waiting. 8/10/12
Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads. 8/13/12
The Revolution will come for me. Men will be at my door soon to pick me up to lead it. 8/14/12
The Revolution is here. And I will lead it. 8/14/12

context?

 

[sailingaway]

I understand what Indy Vidual is saying. But, to me the issue is now that this American is being held against his will, with no charges, no nothing. If they are not going to charge him, he should be released. What they are doing is unconstitutional.

^^^THIS!!

 

[low preference guy]

There are 10,000+ posts a day equivalent to his post --- Obviously THEY ARE USING HIM AS AN EXAMPLE to instill FEAR in the population.

exactly.

 

[low preference guy]

This is why I don't have a Facebook. Plain and Simple.

it's not very different from posting here, since the information available here is public.

 

[low preference guy]

The point I was trying to make is that if you truly believe this is all going to end up in some kind of civil war, do you think it is wise to have yourself taken out of the effort, for something so meaningless as some internet bravado?

it could be more than that. it's reasonable to expect he will be freed, and will show what America has become. exercise of free speech is punishable, and he is participating civil disobedience. it's a new low for you to mock that.

 

[low preference guy]

You seem to want to insult me, go ahead. Throw out your best, little man.

the queen of hypocrisy

 

[ClydeCoulter]

the queen of hypocrisy

She posted that in post #128, your's is #270. You are asking for it.

 

[low preference guy]

She posted that in post #128, your's is #270. You are asking for it.

hey, i'm just reading the thread for the first time, and you don't come across such clear hypocrisy every day.

 

[The Free Hornet]

I don't have the time to read the whole 25 pages and don't know if it was mentioned, but this amounts to an involuntary commitment which means he will never be able to legally purchase a firearm for the rest of his life.

Not that not being able to legally purchase a firearm will stop a determined criminal or nut, but this is the new form of gun control.

Write something the government does not agree with and could *possibly* be perceived a threat, you are involuntary committed and not only are several rights violated, but upon release your 2A rights are eradicated forever.

You may have hit on the crux of it. Perhaps ex-marines in the liberty movement ought not be so casual with their threats.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

there is a law that allows them to commit him to a psychiatric ward if he is considered to have a psychiatric problem that is an imminent threat to himself or others. they're using that.

Back on topic, this seems to be what they are doing, especially since a few of his posts exihibited delusions of granduer (a classic symptom of mental disorder, but not necessarily of violence). They need to have more evidence to hold him for more than 72 hours. When is that up?

 

[Indy Vidual]

We certainly agree on this.

...

Honestly, when they can drag someone off just for being melodramatic on facebook, they have created a standard that is no standard at all, since they can use it or not, at will.

Should people be allowed to say what he did, without getting picked up by the Gov?
Yes, of course they should be.

 

[40oz]

I know some of you disowned Kokesh. None the less, he interviewed the family and a friend of Raub...

 

[Brian4Liberty]

You may have hit on the crux of it. Perhaps ex-marines in the liberty movement ought not be so casual with their threats.

Yep, it's not a good idea to make threats at any time. Let's list what evidence the authorities had here:

- threats of violence. Not really a big deal by itself. It's too common.
- signs of delusions. More of a deal shortly after the theater shooter and Jared Loughner in AZ. (But let's be clear, schizophrenia in no way predicts violence. It would be medically wrong and collectivist to say that all people with mental disorders are dangerous).
- and last, but certainly not least, the SPLC through its contracts with DHS and the media has primed and conditioned them to suspect and fear military Veterans and anyone proclaiming any views from a long list of patriotic, economic or Constitutional views.

You decide which of those is most destructive of civil liberties, and leads directly to political persecution.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Words of Brandon Raub

I’m starting the Revolution. I’m done waiting. 8/10/12
Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads. 8/13/12
The Revolution will come for me. Men will be at my door soon to pick me up to lead it. 8/14/12
The Revolution is here. And I will lead it. 8/14/12

context?

Context?
I feel like I am standing at a great crossroads. As if a storm of destiny is about to pick me up and take me to fight a great battle. 7/24/12

 

[newbitech]

Context?
I feel like I am standing at a great crossroads. As if a storm of destiny is about to pick me up and take me to fight a great battle. 7/24/12

sounds spiritual to me. got any more? I know the bible is referred to as the sword. His axe is the truth and the heads that are going to roll are those in wall st., the gov't etc who will be smitten by his truth. Talking about decapitating people is not an uncommon metaphor we hear when someone in a powerful position makes a big mistake.

It doesn't sound like he has a history of mental illness.

What was that saying about how a country treats it's vets? I would have much rather seen him at least brought in to a military court martial if he did indeed act treasonous rather than a civilian court incapable of bringing charges against real terrorist due to lack of any kind of substantial evidence.

I think this is all about his views of 9/11. THere i said it.

 

[DamianTV]

I was told from someone in the military that for 4 years after active duty, an ex-serviceman is treated the same as active duty regarding speaking out against the government etc. Raub was active duty until 2011, making his language against Obama and the govt "illegal" and possibly treasonous.

Anyone have any knowledge on the rules/ laws for this?

There are several Amendments, the very very first thing that was placed as the highest priority, including guns is Free Speech. Thats the only law / rule we need to be concerned with. Everything else is an excuse because the only thing that is considered a real crime in this country is a crime against the 1%.