Marine Corp veteran Brandon Raub arrested last night

[freedomordeath]

In a hearing before a special justice on August 20, government officials again pointed to Raub’s Facebook posts as the sole reason for their concern and for his continued incarceration. Ignoring Raub’s explanations about the fact that the Facebook posts were being read out of context and his attorney’s First Amendment defense, the special justice agreed that Raub should be incarcerated at a VA hospital for up to 30 more days. Rutherford Institute attorneys are working to challenge Raub’s detention and the highly unconstitutional nature of the government’s actions.

wow.

WTF Even as a South African I'm shocked, this is normal in most 3rd world type countries incl mine, but never expected this to happen in America.

I'm not a big 9/11 dude, and have an open mind so don't rule out anything, but the 5 dancing Isrealies kinda left a sour taste in the mouth and something tells me some poeple at the very least knew what was going down. If this government's intention was to avoid 9/11 going Main stream then its time to blow the fcker wide open. (lol not literally, I mean't in the verbal or keyboard warrior sense incase CIA are reading this)

 

[zachrbroussard]

I was told from someone in the military that for 4 years after active duty, an ex-serviceman is treated the same as active duty regarding speaking out against the government etc. Raub was active duty until 2011, making his language against Obama and the govt "illegal" and possibly treasonous.

Anyone have any knowledge on the rules/ laws for this?

 

[dillo]

Lindsey Grahm was right, the terrorists are here in America, the federal government

 

[tmg19103]

I don't have the time to read the whole 25 pages and don't know if it was mentioned, but this amounts to an involuntary commitment which means he will never be able to legally purchase a firearm for the rest of his life.

Not that not being able to legally purchase a firearm will stop a determined criminal or nut, but this is the new form of gun control.

Write something the government does not agree with and could *possibly* be perceived a threat, you are involuntary committed and not only are several rights violated, but upon release your 2A rights are eradicated forever.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Of course now he claims it's "out of context", since they have hauled him away.


<re-post: I'm re-posting this from the other Raub thread, since I want to see if it clears up the issue, or...>


{{Let's take a few seconds to get on the same page, so we don't waste time and cause misunderstandings}}

Issue 2: Freedom of Speech and Orwellian Pre-Crime

Should people be allowed to say what he did, without getting picked up by the Gov?
Yes, of course they should be.


Issue 1: Ron Paul Supporters who Want a Violent Revolution

• If you are looking to start up, or support people who are starting, a violent revolution then you are in the wrong place.
• If you are intentionally trying to make Ron Paul supporters appear to support violence, then you are/could be a traitor.

Since Brandon was a Ron Paul supporter who was also "ready for violence", he does not deserve our support.
His type makes us all look bad, and increases the danger we are already in.

 

[sailingaway]

I'm not convinced he was ready to start a violent revolution, and if they based it ONLY on facebook as supposedly they did, that is a huge problem. Taking that WITH other facts might be different. I've seen elsewhere that the worst line, the one about severing heads, was a quote from a song. And your 'Ron Paul supporters who want a violent revolution' is a strange allegation. Name one.

How many message boards contain language about guns having to be pried from someone's cold, dead hands' etc? Is everyone who posts that subject to involuntary psych evaluation?

 

[zachrbroussard]

I was told from someone in the military that for 4 years after active duty, an ex-serviceman is treated the same as active duty regarding speaking out against the government etc. Raub was active duty until 2011, making his language against Obama and the govt "illegal" and possibly treasonous.

Anyone have any knowledge on the rules/ laws for this?

? Anyone?

 

[sailingaway]

? Anyone?

I find it hard to believe that is true. For generations people were drafted and had no choice in being in active duty. None of them can complain about the government?

 

[pcosmar]

? Anyone?

Once your service contract ends you are a citizen,, period.

 

[pcosmar]

<re-post: I'm re-posting this from the other Raub thread, since I want to see if it clears up the issue, or...>

No it doesn't, and it is insulting to Ron Paul supporters and any American.

 

[monte]

? Anyone?

Maybe your friend is talking about being inactive reserves. Usually for 4 years after active duty, you are an inactive reservist. I doubt there are speech regulations or whatever, for those inactive reservists.

 

[sailingaway]

Maybe your friend is talking about being inactive reserves. Usually for 4 years after active duty, you are an inactive reservist. I doubt there are speech regulations or whatever, for those inactive reservists.

there is something for reserves, that is why that guy who spoke out to CNN in fatigues got in trouble I think. I don't think he was active duty but reserve. I think the problem was the fatigues, otherwise I think I remember it would have been ok. It was kind of an 'appearance of endorsement by military' quasi 'intellectual property' meme as I read it.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Of course now he claims it's "out of context", since they have hauled him away.


<re-post: I'm re-posting this from the other Raub thread, since I want to see if it clears up the issue, or...>


{{Let's take a few seconds to get on the same page, so we don't waste time and cause misunderstandings}}

Issue 2: Freedom of Speech and Orwellian Pre-Crime

Should people be allowed to say what he did, without getting picked up by the Gov?
Yes, of course they should be.


Issue 1: Ron Paul Supporters who Want a Violent Revolution

• If you are looking to start up, or support people who are starting, a violent revolution then you are in the wrong place.
• If you are intentionally trying to make Ron Paul supporters appear to support violence, then you are/could be a traitor.

Since Brandon was a Ron Paul supporter who was also "ready for violence", he does not deserve our support.
His type makes us all look bad, and increases the danger we are already in.

...And your 'Ron Paul supporters who want a violent revolution' is a strange allegation. Name one...

Brandon Raub, if you take his words literally.
There are others, but they might be intentionally trying to make us look bad.


It's not rocket science:
>>> If you are looking to start up, or support people who are starting a violent revolution, then you are in the wrong place.

 

[sailingaway]

Brandon Raub, if you take his words literally.
There are others, but they might be intentionally trying to make us look bad.


It's not rocket science:
>>> If you are looking to start up, or support people who are starting a violent revolution, then you are in the wrong place.

nothing I've read by Raub said he WANTED a violent revolution, although I didn't read everything.

I agree that no one here is into starting a violent revolution, but honestly, the tack you are taking is getting stranger and stranger.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

He may even be (kinda) where he thought he would be. hmmm.........

 

[Indy Vidual]

Well now you know:

nothing I've read by Raub said he WANTED a violent revolution, although I didn't read everything.

I agree that no one here is into starting a violent revolution...

Words of Brandon Raub

I’m starting the Revolution. I’m done waiting. 8/10/12
Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads. 8/13/12
The Revolution will come for me. Men will be at my door soon to pick me up to lead it. 8/14/12
The Revolution is here. And I will lead it. 8/14/12

 

[ClydeCoulter]

How many people have quoted JFK's "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. "?

He said that and was president.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I understand what Indy Vidual is saying. But, to me the issue is now that this American is being held against his will, with no charges, no nothing. If they are not going to charge him, he should be released. What they are doing is unconstitutional.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Well now you know:



Words of Brandon Raub

I’m starting the Revolution. I’m done waiting. 8/10/12
Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads. 8/13/12
The Revolution will come for me. Men will be at my door soon to pick me up to lead it. 8/14/12
The Revolution is here. And I will lead it. 8/14/12

And what do we call our movement? rEVOLution...................

edit: And, men came and picked him up, and what now?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well now you know:



Words of Brandon Raub

I’m starting the Revolution. I’m done waiting. 8/10/12
Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads. 8/13/12
The Revolution will come for me. Men will be at my door soon to pick me up to lead it. 8/14/12
The Revolution is here. And I will lead it. 8/14/12

If they are not going to charge him, he should be released.