March Against Monsanto - Updates

[Warlord]

The essential role of a limited government is to protect life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness of the individual. Don't infringe on the rights of another. If this destroys or infringes upon those rights, then the role of government in it's limited form is to keep that in check. So if doing that is calling on a "nanny", then yes. When the choice is hidden and virtually unavoidable.

The role of government should not be to protect the interest of that corporation and prevent states from disclosing information that can hinder Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

As a proud US corporation Monsanto also has rights, right there in the constitution. Even their patents are constitutional.

 

[Warlord]

You dont like Monsanto... we get it Thor.

I don't like the tobacco industry but i'm not going to march against them and make a fool of myself.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

The essential role of a limited government is to protect life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness of the individual. Don't infringe on the rights of another. If this destroys or infringes upon those rights, then the role of government in it's limited form is to keep that in check. So if doing that is calling on a "nanny", then yes. When the choice is hidden and virtually unavoidable.

Nanny state = Proactive government
Liberty = Reactive government

The difference being that a proactive government will ban certain activities outright, with no regard to intention or outcome. A reactive government will charge people with infringing on the rights of others, hold a trial and convict if necessary.

A proactive government says it has the right to keep you safe from yourself. A reactive government wishes you the best, but leaves you free to live your life as you see fit, as long as you don't infringe on other peoples rights. It's individualism v collectivism.

 

[Natural Citizen]

You dont like Monsanto... we get it Thor.

I don't like the tobacco industry but i'm not going to march against them and make a fool of myself.

Do you support Monsanto?

And by no means did these people make fools of themselves. This is a continuing world wide legitimate boycott. Will continue.

 

[Debbie Downer]

You have choices when it is labeled so you are aware. But when it is hidden, you don't.

Don't buy anything that isn't labelled 100% organic and/or has the Non-GMO Project verified logo or grow your own organic produce, or buy from a local farmer who doesn't use GM seeds...

There are tons of choices.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

It's been like that for 220 years :/

And even if you by some miracle get a majority in congress to amend the patent laws the bought off judges will override that in a heartbeat.

Then why debate the matter if it won't ever change ? You do agree I hope that patents are the root of this problem ?

 

[Thor]

As a proud US corporation Monsanto also has rights, right there in the constitution. Even their patents are constitutional.

As long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others, yes. But they are...

You dont like Monsanto... we get it Thor.

I don't like the tobacco industry but i'm not going to march against them and make a fool of myself.

With tobacco, you have the choice to use or not. When the food supply is controlled and contaminated, you don't.

 

[Debbie Downer]

If GMO foods didn't dominate the market, the prices of other foods would go down.

That's not true. Banning GMOs would probably lead to a massive increase in food prices. GMO crops are much easier to grow, are more pest/disease resistant, have higher yields, use less water, and many times are designed to have more nutrients per volume.

 

[Warlord]

Do you support Monsanto?

And by no means did these people make fools of themselves. This is a continuing world wide legitimate boycott. Will continue.

I support Monsanto's constitutional rights to act within accordance of the law.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

Do you support Monsanto?

And by no means did these people make fools of themselves. This is a continuing world wide legitimate boycott. Will continue.

Voluntary boycotts are ALWAYS legit.

 

[Warlord]

As long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others, yes. But they are...



With tobacco, you have the choice to use or not. When the food supply is controlled and contaminated, you don't.

I'm afraid Warlord has NO choice. He's addicted to nicotine and his trusty shisha pipe

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

Of all of the people I know who attended marches, and this would include myself if I had been able to attend one, NONE of them are for government encroachment on private business.

These people, calling themselves the "organizers", are calling for government encroachment on private business via FDA labeling: http://occupy-monsanto.com/

Find a cause, stand up and be vocal about it, or quit f*$#&ing ragging on people who ARE doing that.

People marching to expand the FDA should not be immune from criticism. Next time the FDA wants to expand their power, they know who they can turn to for grassroots support.

 

[Debbie Downer]

It's been like that for 220 years :/

And even if you by some miracle get a majority in congress to amend the patent laws the bought off judges will override that in a heartbeat.

Patent laws actually got a huge overhaul in 2011 when the entire system was moved from a "first to invent" to a "first inventor to file" system. This was the first significant change to the patent system since 1952.

 

[Natural Citizen]

As a proud US corporation Monsanto also has rights, right there in the constitution.

People like you are why we have corporations producing legislation of, by and for themselves against the interests of natural citizens. This is fascism in itsface.

 

[Debbie Downer]

I'm afraid Warlord has NO choice. He's addicted to nicotine and his trusty shisha pipe

I'd expect Warlord to at least be mixing in a little hashish in his shisha.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

You people who think Monsanto is a legitimate business are so full of shit. Why can't you see what's really going on here?

Has "what's really going on here" been posted in this thread, or am I expected to watch a hundred YouTube videos to find out?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I'm not an expert, but I don't have to be to know that Monsanto's manipulation of the plant gene pool is not good. Their practices are abysmal.

I thought you were scientist? What science do you practice?

 

[FrankRep]

People like you are why we have corporations producing legislation of, by and for themselves against the interests of natural citizens. This is fascism in itsface.

I still blame Big Government, not the Corporations, for abuse of power. People write legislation, not corporations.

PS:

The Campaign for Liberty is a 501(c)(4) non-profit Corporation.

 

[Thor]

Nanny state = Proactive government
Liberty = Reactive government

The difference being that a proactive government will ban certain activities outright, with no regard to intention or outcome. A reactive government will charge people with infringing on the rights of others, hold a trial and convict if necessary.

A proactive government says it has the right to keep you safe from yourself. A reactive government wishes you the best, but leaves you free to live your life as you see fit, as long as you don't infringe on other peoples rights. It's individualism v collectivism.

There have been enough independent studies on GMO's that it is hardly proactive at this point. It is an ongoing experiment with US as the lab rats. Labeling GMO's at the very least is not proactive. It is reactive. Banning GMO's could be labeled reactive in light of the studies.

 

[Thor]

I still blame Big Government, not the Corporations, for abuse of power. People write legislation, not corporations.

And those people writing legislation are influenced by lobbyist. Which are paid for by corporations.