March Against Monsanto - Updates

[Natural Citizen]

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[Carlybee]

Glyphosate is one of Monsanto's most famous products, they market it under the name Round Up. It's the most common herbicide used in the US and has a 40+ year track record of safe use. Donnay keeps changing the subject to agent orange, though, instead of facing the fact that glyphosate is safe.

Glyphosate is under investigation for possibly being linked to cancer and parkinson's among other things. Monsanto genetically alters seed stock so that it can withstand being sprayed with Roundup but sure we all need to injest a little weed killer from time to time. (rolls eyes). Not to mention the fact that Monsanto wants to take over the world's seed stock by whatever means possible.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

Ban GMO foods, and many will be unable to afford the remaining food. Socialism inflates the human population.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

This is a great post from GunnyFreedom on the subject from last year.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...t-and-the-fr&p=4510425&viewfull=1#post4510425

To be fair, I have figured out a much better way since then. Simply add to the definition of 'fraud' the practice of pretending that GMO tomatos are natural tomatos. It is very minimalist, and when labeling laws go away it self-obsoletes.

I only ever supported STATE (definitely not Federal as that would be blatantly unconstitutional) labeling as an emergency measure in a fascistic (not free) market as a means of self-defense against Federal aggression in this area. I have evolved from that somewhat drastic position into the most minor of tweaks -- specifically defining the act of promoting man-manipulated GMO [product] as if it were a natural [product] as being fraud. In other words, bombarding a tomato seed with frog DNA until it was something different is no longer a "tomato" and those who pretend it is are guilty of fraud.

It ends up being a very minor tweak but solves the labeling problem, and when we finally manage to end the FDA labeling requirement id obsoletes itself like it never existed.

I've never - ever - supported federal mandated labeling of any kind.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

So basically, since we don't currently have a free market, the solution is to make the market even less free?

No, the solution was to establish a State level barricade (self defense) against Federal level aggression (regulatory bans against disclosure).

I have since refined the idea into a much...much...better solution.

 

[Natural Citizen]

In other words, bombarding a tomato seed with frog DNA until it was something different is no longer a "tomato" and those who pretend it is are guilty of fraud.

See? Gunny is brilliant. If I lived in your state I'd vote for you. Gunny just gave his position on the science of it. Is all that is required.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Under an expansive (and wrong) interpretation it would but then if you recognize the Feds can label food you have to accept they can mandate you to buy healthcare and everything else which as you know was never the intention of the Founding fathers vision of a limited government with enumerated powers.

No, technically it would be Constitutional to require disclosure of GMO for any products that actually crossed State lines under the original intent of the Commerce Clause. However there is a much better way to accomplish the same goal simply by defining the practice of pretending that a frogmato was a genuine tomato as fraud.

 

[Carlybee]

Ban GMO foods, and many will be unable to afford the remaining food. Socialism inflates the human population.

So we should all just eat poison then? I have cut out 50% of GMO foods and am actually saving money. I buy organic non GMO produce from local farmers through a co-op on a weekly basis and yes it's more work because I actually have to prepare my own food instead of opening a can or box but I actually spend less. Roughly $85 for enough greens and fruit that lasts me a week or longer and roughly another $50-$60 a week for other products. We don't use much potatos, rice or bread and little dairy but we do buy free range non hormone added chicken which is about $20 for 10 boneless breasts. We make our own juice and I make my own salad dressing. I'm not saying we don't go out once a week or so to eat but since I don't want to waste the food we buy we do prepare food at home more often so we save money that way as well.

The best solution is putting pressure on the Ag industry and food conglomerates to label on a voluntary basis. Problem is they would probably lie about it. Problem with the government mandating is is that it just gives them more nanny like power. It IS a conundrum but people should try to do their own due diligence.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I see what you are saying, but I think what GunnyFreedom did was limited to the state of NC. If you want to get rid of all government federal and state, then I'm all for it. I think states deciding what is good for them might be a practical solution for the time being. Monsanto, in my opinion, is playing with nature in a strong-armed way that could *potentially* be devastating to everyone on the planet. Can you say for sure that GMO could not cause loss of crop diversity and lead to a catastrophic failure of the food supply? I think people should have some say in how these companies operate within the current system that we have. At the very least, companies should be able to voluntarily label their food as non-GMO without fear of being sued.

Correct. I could have never advocated for something like that at the Federal level at all. ever. Mandating federal GMO labeling would be completely unconstitutional. There is simply no authority in the US Constitution granting Washington that kind of power. It was only at the State level, and that was because I did not at the time have the far better (and less interventionist) solution that I do now.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

How is it dangerous to label food as non-GMO?

It's not. Companies should be free to label or not to label as they see fit. It becomes a real problem when the FDA steps in and says you are not allowed to label [product] as "GMO Free" that it becomes fascistic and thus subject to the enactment of State level defenses.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Consumers don't know which foods are GMO or non-GMO. That's one problem.

I admit, I really expected you to be on the other side of this issue. I am heartened. I am not being sarcastic.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Remember that Congress banned organic food from being labeled organic. But somehow it became OK to lable GMO food as organic...

-t

 

[mad cow]

I think states deciding what is good for them might be a practical solution for the time being.

What is your opinion of Mayors and Cities deciding what is good for them,oh say Mayor Bloomberg and NYC for instance?You know,keeping it local.Even better,yes?

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

So we should all just eat poison then? I have cut out 50% of GMO foods and am actually saving money. I buy organic non GMO produce from local farmers through a co-op on a weekly basis and yes it's more work because I actually have to prepare my own food instead of opening a can or box but I actually spend less. Roughly $85 for enough greens and fruit that lasts me a week or longer and roughly another $50-$60 a week for other products. We don't use much potatos, rice or bread and little dairy but we do buy free range non hormone added chicken which is about $20 for 10 boneless breasts. We make our own juice and I make my own salad dressing. I'm not saying we don't go out once a week or so to eat but since I don't want to waste the food we buy we do prepare food at home more often so we save money that way as well.

The best solution is putting pressure on the Ag industry and food conglomerates to label on a voluntary basis. Problem is they would probably lie about it. Problem with the government mandating is is that it just gives them more nanny like power. It IS a conundrum but people should try to do their own due diligence.

Private labs could do the testing. No nannies, less prone to corruption than FDA, and cheaper.

 

[Carlybee]

My biggest problem with a lot of these protests is some of these people still don't know the difference between capitalism and corporatism.

 

[sailingaway]

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

Remember that Congress banned organic food from being labeled organic. But somehow it became OK to lable GMO food as organic...

-t

When did Congress do that? I'd like to see that legislation.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

So the threat of government violence should be used to force companies to label their products in a certain way?

No. The threat of violence should NOT be used to shutter and bankrupt companies who choose to voluntarily label their products as "GMO Free." Because such violence IS being used to prevent said voluntary labeling, a State's right to self-defense against federal aggression exists under the NAP. I have a much better strategy for said self-defense than I did a year ago, one that automatically obsoletes itself when the labeling laws that currently exist go away.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

My biggest problem with a lot of these protests is some of these people still don't know the difference between capitalism and corporatism.

I made that distinction pretty clear during my speech at the Greensboro March Against Monsanto today. ;p

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

It's not. Companies should be free to label or not to label as they see fit. It becomes a real problem when the FDA steps in and says you are not allowed to label [product] as "GMO Free" that it becomes fascistic and thus subject to the enactment of State level defenses.

Where did FDA do that?