Man tells cops they can't enter without a warrant, they kick in door, kill him.

So telling someone to get a warrant and close the door is now considered Violent?

I don't get some of these "libertarians" and "leaning libertarians" on this forum. They see telling an officer to get a warrant as extreme violence and disrespect, yet dismiss beating, tasing, breaking and entering, and murder to be acceptable as long as one party wears a costume.
 
I don't get some of these "libertarians" and "leaning libertarians" on this forum. They see telling an officer to get a warrant as extreme violence and disrespect, yet dismiss beating, tasing, breaking and entering, and murder to be acceptable as long as one party wears a costume.

Yeah, I know you don't. :(

Just go ahead and keep on doing it your way.
 
Yeah, I know you don't. :(

Just go ahead and keep on doing it your way.

I know it probably gets boring at your retirement community. I hope you get a good laugh on the shuffle board court when you tell your fellow retirees how much fun you have getting reactions on RPFs.
 
I know it probably gets boring at your retirement community. I hope you get a good laugh on the shuffle board court when you tell your fellow retirees how much fun you have getting reactions on RPFs.

Yep, the RPF children here are just so clueless and hilariously predictable.
 

As long as my +rep score remains comfortably above my forum post count I'll continue to assume that I'm doing something right.

I thought it was spontaneous order, you know, everyone conspiring to make it look like a dick.
 
It is time for us to start demanding that the Sheriffs and Police Chiefs rein in their lose cannons and train them in Constitutional Rights, de-escalation and proper use of force. I will soon be posting a series of articles and interviews on this topic.

VegasPatriot,

At this point you, and people who think like you, are the single biggest impediment to progress with respect to policing in this country.

Police have existed in the USA since the 1840s.
The United States Constitution was ratified in 1788 and took effect on March 4, 1789.
Thus the Constitution existed a good 50 years prior to the formation of police, and continued to exist for the 175 years since.

Have police ever received training in constitutional rights? Ever?

Have police ever not kicked in doors and murdered people who give them lip? Ever?

The answer to both questions is clearly NO. Not if you're being honest.

When you assume that there's a way to fix this situation, you're assuming that they're not operating exactly as they have always been intended. The facts pile up so quickly against that assumption that I have no choice but to believe you're just not looking at them.

Whether you want to remain ignorant or not is your own deal. What I take exception to is people like you showing up and perpetuating the ignorant idea that there's a baby somewhere in this bathwater. You may as well be saying "Guys, I know there were some people running death camps, but the tenets of national socialism are still sound!"

When you state that training can fix this, you are adding a zero to the number of years we will continue to put up with this.
Well, they've had 175 years to train. If you don't think that was enough time, then fine, but stop undermining those of us who think it was.
 
#3 Increase the odds of achieving rule #1 however you need to.

I understand your point, but I'm sure you're aware that is only a short term solution.

At some point, probably soon, no matter how civil you may be, it won't matter.

And at some point, us, we, people, are going to have to grab their nuts and get this situation under control.
 
Is this really the mountain you want to die on? Livingston was an idiot, and Darwin caught up with him. Police would not have been there without a call to service. Courts have repeatedly upheld Assault reports validate warrantless entry for the imminent exigency potential. The police do not have a crystal ball to determine what is and is not going on related to the alleged assault, without investigating. Given the supposed suspect is reported to not have even been there, upon such investigation, Livingston would still be alive if he wasn't so damn stupid. If he was going to violently uphold his right to warrantless entry, at least he should have been right.

Why do you guys never show up in the threads where somebody who did absolutely nothing wrong and never called everfucking cops, but gets their home raided and their family or pets killed by Berserker cops for no reason at all?
 
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