Malaysia Airlines passenger jet reportedly shot down in Ukraine

It's a still image captured from video purported to be from the Ukraine gov't and disseminated by AP. The video clearly shows it's missing two missiles.

And what proof is there that it is anything but a Ukraine(Kiev) Government launcher on it's way back to it's base?

Both sides have Russian equipment. Both sides have Russian Cammie (uniforms).

And the Kiev Nazis announced they would attack Russians when they came into power.
They instigated this civil war.
 
How much?

I don't weave anything out of whole cloth.



Some parts do. The tires, for example.



And here's a 'spoiler alert' for you, Bubba. Parts of Flight 93 were found a similar distance from the main crash site. Do you really think Boeing designs those things to hold completely together in a sustained power dive from 30,000 feet? Do you have any idea how heavy they would have to make them for them to pull that feat off?

The photos show a rather compact area chock full of debris. That couldn't happen if the aircraft had the structure of its fuselage seriously compromised at thirty K. Just don't see how that could happen.

After the crash they found light debris like paper at Indian Lake which can be blown by the wind but some small parts of the airplane were no more than 1.5 miles away (things like insulation)- not six. Large parts were all at the point of impact.

As the crow flies, Indian Lake is not eight miles from the crash site. There were some sites reporting greater distances but they were looking at road driving distances- not linear distances from the impact point.



I don't weave anything out of whole cloth.

Interesting. You don't have a theory but seem convinced that mine must be wrong. That means you DO have a theory that something else happened.
 
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Interesting. You don't have a theory but seem convinced that mine must be wrong. That means you DO have a theory that something else happened.

You could say I have a theory that the "facts" you present as such are merely theories.

You could say that, if you were feeling charitable. But the fact is, that's a fact.
 
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Published on June 18, 2014

A brave woman from Sloviansk wants to tell the world, what she thinks about the situation.


[video=youtube;aKKoKmUtQXE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aKKoKmUtQXE[/video]


BOMBSHELL!

Ukranian fighter jets are using civilian planes as human shields! Go to 1:10
 
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Yeah, when the US government failed to provide the ELINT/IMGINT/HUMINT/SIGINT evidence from their $100s of Billions spent on the; surveillance, detection, and tracking satellite systems, you know the world incident is full of lies, all lies. But I betcha they can tell every move, every conversation, every aspect of an American's existence for years.


All you get is the same pathetic rhetoric and propaganda from 2 bit mouthpieces like; Jen Psaki, John Kerry, and Bathhouse Barry. Where's 'Ms Ukraine Mouth 2014', Victoria Nuland? BTW, Yatsenyuk "YATS" resigned as Ukrainian Prime Minister today... TPTB need to switch out the failed inside players. The same political nonsense that goes upon the revolving doors at the White House/Dept of State/Capital Hill when something drastically goes wrong. GESUS, government(s) must hate the InternetZ... lol

Alrighty Then... A curvy babe in Camos; a machine gun, a Confederate patch, bravery and brains. Ukraine's Got Talent! ;)

PS: You won't hear her statements on US/NATO corporate media.
Published on June 18, 2014

A brave woman from Sloviansk wants to tell the world, what she thinks about the situation.


[video=youtube;aKKoKmUtQXE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aKKoKmUtQXE[/video]


BOMBSHELL!

Ukranian fighter jets are using civilian planes as human shields! Go to 1:10
 
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All you get is the same pathetic rhetoric and propaganda from 2 bit mouthpieces like; Jen Psaki, John Kerry, and Bathhouse Barry. Where's 'Ms Ukraine Mouth 2014', Victoria Nuland?

Obama/Hillary appointing one of Cheney's hand maidens before a ramp up in war making? Say it ain't so Joe!
 
Obama/Hillary appointing one of Cheney's hand maidens before a ramp up in war making? Say it ain't so Joe!
Check it out, here's one on Victoria Nuland... an incredibly detailed read. Recommended absorption and see exactly what kind of garbage we have running the US government and destroying the world today. This article is from last December.

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Meet Neocon “Doughnut Dolly” Victoria Nuland

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During America’s many overseas wars, volunteer women of the United Services Organization (USO), a group designed to boost the morale of U.S. troops in combat zones, served coffee and doughnuts to American soldiers. These women, called “doughnut dollies,” were on the scene in the South Pacific, Korea, and Vietnam.

The U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, Victoria Nuland, has reprised the role of the “Doughnut Dolly” by distributing snacks to anti-government protesters on Maidan square in central Kyiv. Armed with a white plastic shopping bag full of biscuits, Nuland was trying to boost the morale of the protesters in what has become a virtual proxy war between the United States and Russia. Control of Ukraine by NATO has long been a gleam in the eye of American neo-conservative war hawks like Arizona Republican Senator John McCain who followed Nuland by a day among the Maidan protesters.

Following the election of Barack Obama to the presidency in 2008, many Americans believed that the age of the neo-cons was over. Neo-cons, nostalgic for the Cold War, put their own imprimatur on the George W. Bush presidency by having it adopt all the principles of neocon policy dogma, most notably a document known as the Project for the New American Century or “PNAC.” With fresh policy guidance from within the neo-con policymaking lairs of the American Enterprise Institute, Heritage Foundation, Hudson Institute, and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, neocons like Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Scooter Libby, and Robert Kagan set about to plunge the United States into senseless wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and beyond in a never-ending “global war on terrorism.”

Kagan, although not as well-known as the others, continues to steer America into foreign policy fiascos such as U.S. involvement in the domestic affairs of Ukraine. Kagan has an ace-in-the-hole in stirring up tensions in Ukraine because his wife is none other than Victoria Nuland…

Nuland’s career has been one of ensuring that the underpinnings of the Cold War never completely died out in Europe. Her State Department career began as the chief of staff to President Bill Clinton’s Deputy Secretary of State and close friend, Strobe Talbott. It was under Talbott that Nuland helped completely fracture Yugoslavia and ensured that the U.S. slanted against the interests of Russia’s ally, Serbia. After helping to lord over the final end of Yugoslavia, Nuland moved to develop U.S. foreign policy for the former Soviet Union. Ukraine landed right in the middle of Nuland’s target scope.

After the Clinton administration, Nuland went on to become Vice President Dick Cheney’s principal foreign policy adviser. Impressed with her anti-Russian and neo-con stance, Cheney recommended Nuland to be the U.S. ambassador to NATO. After the Bush administration, Nuland ensured that the neo-con apparatchiks continued to have a say in the new president’s foreign policy. Nuland was appointed as the special envoy for Conventional Armed Forces in Europe in a further bid to confront Russia. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton appointed Nuland as her press spokesman after Philip J. Crowley was forced to resign after he publicly complained about the military prison treatment of Army Private Bradley Manning, arrested and jailed for releasing classified State Department cables to WikiLeaks. Nuland, unlike Crowley, would ensure that neo-con swagger would dominate Mrs. Clinton’s State Department. That swagger became abundantly clear in the CIA’s coup against President Manuel Zelaya in Honduras, the U.S.-led overthrow of Muammar Qaddafi in Libya, and U.S. support for uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia.

Nuland would survive the controversy over the October 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission/CIA facility in Benghazi, Libya. Initially, many conservative Republicans criticized Nuland for her role in providing ambassador to the UN Susan Rice with “talking points” explaining away the failure of the U.S. to protect the compound from an attack that killed U.S. ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other U.S. personnel. All it took was a tap on the shoulder from Nuland’s husband Kagan and his influential friends in the neo-con hierarchy for the criticism of his wife to stop. And stop it did as Nuland was confirmed, without Republican opposition, to be the new Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, a portfolio that gave her a clear mandate to interfere in the domestic policies of Ukraine and other countries, including Russia itself.

Kagan began laying the groundwork for his wife’s continued presence in a Democratic administration when, in 2007, he switched sides from the Republicans and aligned with the Democrats. This was in the waning days of the Bush administration and, true to form, neo-cons, who politically and family-wise hail from Trotskyite chameleons, saw the opportunity to continue their influence over U.S. foreign policy.

With the election of Obama in 2008, Kagan was able to maintain a PNAC presence, through his wife, inside the State Department. Kagan, a co-founder of PNAC, monitors his wife’s activities from his perch at the influential Brookings Institution. And it was no surprise that McCain followed Nuland to Maidan Square. Kagan was one of McCain’s top foreign policy advisers in the 2008 campaign, even though he publicly switched to the Democrats the year before. Kagan ensured that he kept a foot in both parties. Although McCain was defeated by Obama in 2008, Kagan’s influence was preserved when his wife became a top foreign policy adviser to Obama. The root of this control by neo-cons of the two major U.S. political parties is the powerful Israel Lobby and is the reason why in excess of 95 percent of neo-cons are also committed Zionists.

Kagan’s writings and pronouncements from Brookings have had a common thread: anti-Vladimir Putin rhetoric and a strong desire to see Ukraine and Georgia in NATO, Bashar al Assad falling in Syria and thus eliminating a Russian ally, no further expansion of Shanghai Cooperation Organization membership and the eventual collapse of the counter-NATO organization, and the destabilization of Russia’s southern border region by radical Salafists and Wahhabists funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Qatar, not coincidentally, hosts a Brookings Institution office that advises the Qatari government.

But dominance of U.S. foreign policy does not end with Nuland and her husband. Kagan’s brother, Fred Kagan, is another neo-con foreign policy launderer. Residing at the American Enterprise Institute, Fred Kagan was an “anti-corruption” adviser to General David Petraeus. Kagan held this job even as Petraeus was engaged in an extra-marital affair, which he corruptly covered up. Fred Kagan’s wife is Kimberly Kagan. She has been involved in helping to formulate disastrous U.S. policies for the military occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Fred and Kimberly have also worked on U.S. covert operations to overthrow the government of Iran. No family in the history of the United States, with the possible exception of John Foster and Allen Dulles, has had more blood on its hands than have the Kagans. And it is this family that is today helping to ratchet up the Cold War on the streets of Kyiv.

Victoria Nuland is, indeed, the proper “Doughnut Dolly” for the paid George Soros, U.S. Agency for International Development, National Endowment for Democracy, and Freedom House provocateurs on Maidan Square. Political prostitutes representing so many causes, from nationalistic Ukrainian fascists to pro-EU globalists, require a symbol. There is no better symbol for the foreign-made “Orange Revolution II” than the biscuit-distributing Victoria Nuland. Her unleavened biscuits have found the hungry mouths of America’s “Three Stooges” of ex-boxer and political opportunist Vitaly Klitschko, globalist Arseny Yatsenyuk, and neo-Nazi Oleg Tyagnibok.

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MH-17: Beware of the «Chameleon»

Wayne MADSEN | 21.07.2014
The 10-day NATO exercise code named «BREEZE 2014» has ended in Black Sea. The exercise, which included the use of electronic warfare and electronic intelligence aircraft such as the Boeing EA-18G Growler and the Boeing E3 Sentry Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS), coincided with the shootdown of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 in eastern Ukraine, some 40 miles from the Russian border. NATO ships and aircraft had the Donetsk and Luhansk regions under total radar and electronic surveillance... continued http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/07/21/mh-17-beware-of-the-chameleon.html


Boeing Disaster: Washington’s Lies and Kiev’s Silence

On July 21 the Russian Ministry of Defense held a briefing and displayed the data to prove the fact that a number of Ukrainian Buk-M1 air defense systems were deployed in the vicinity of Donetsk at the time of Malaysian aircraft disaster. The 9С18 «Kupol» radar activities were especially intensive. It became known that a Ukrainian Su-25 was scrambled to accompany the airliner… The Russian system of air control detected the Ukrainian Air Force aircraft, supposedly the Su-25, ascending to the level of Malaysian Boeing-777. The distance between the aircraft was 3-5 kilometers. The Su-25 specifications allow it to fly at the altitude of 10000 meters for a short period of time. The plane is armed with air-to-air missile R-60 with a range of 12 kilometers, the operational range to make a sure hit is 5 kilometers. Why did the combat aircraft have to get up and fly along the civilian aviation route – that is the question to make clear... continued http://www.strategic-culture.org/ne...isaster-washington-lies-and-kiev-silence.html
 
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