Malaysia Airlines passenger jet reportedly shot down in Ukraine

[devil21]

^^^^^^^^^
Looks like two empty positions.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

^^^^^^^^^
Looks like two empty positions.

Looks like some mayonnaise spread over a picture of a truck

 

[jbauer]

So my wife is in the Netherlands right now. Her client knows two couples onboard the plane that crashed. I know theres all kinds of conspiracy stuff going around but real people died on this plane. As to who/how/when/where pulled the trigger. Conspire till you've had your fill.

 

[devil21]

Looks like some mayonnaise spread over a picture of a truck

It's a still image captured from video purported to be from the Ukraine gov't and disseminated by AP. The video clearly shows it's missing two missiles.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Well, it's a 'Chess Game' between the US and Russia governments, only because neither wants to compromise the capabilities of their detection and surveillance systems.

Here's some information on another source stating the US has solid evidence that is was a Ukrainian Army unit...

 

[Zippyjuan]

Tell you what. Let us drop you from 30,000 feet and measure how high you bounce and how far you roll.

You do realize, don't you, that a Superball dropped from that height will (if it survives the impact) bounce clear over the Matterhorn?



And now we have an opinion. Isn't that special? Is this opinion founded on anything whatsoever besides wishful thinking and other sand?

Everybody has a theory. The facts are not all in yet. I bet even you have a theory.

Airplanes tend to not bounce very well.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

It's a still image captured from video purported to be from the Ukraine gov't and disseminated by AP. The video clearly shows it's missing two missiles.

The red circle makes it way harder to see.

 

[UWDude]

SA-11 launcher on the way to Russia with one empty missile position:

My apologies for the interruption

According to who is it headed to Russia? And does headed to Russia mean headed East and or North, or does it mean at the border crossing?
All you have is a picture with an interpretation by the AP, which was probably given to them by Kiev.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Russia caught editing Wikipedia entry about downed Malaysian airliner
Twitter bot that monitors Wikipedia edits catches Russian TV network in the act.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...ipedia-entry-about-downed-malaysian-airliner/

-t

 

[Ranger29860]

Tell you what. Let us drop you from 30,000 feet and measure how high you bounce and how far you roll.

You do realize, don't you, that a Superball dropped from that height will (if it survives the impact) bounce clear over the Matterhorn?

Spoiler alert, not very far and sure as hell not 6 miles. Also terminal velocity of a human is achieved at roughly 1800 Feet, so 30,000 feet makes no difference.

As for the "Superball" (which I am assuming is the toy). Terminal velocity would be achieved at a lower height than a human body due to size. It would be a hell of a feet if a ball bounced above its initial height (in this case the point in which it reached terminal velocity) So if the ball reached terminal velocity after dropping 500 feet (random number) it would not bounce any higher than its initial drop (500 feet). See law of conservation of energy, you know the thing you should have been taught in middle school.

So no a tail of an airplane does not bounce 6 miles after nearly falling six miles.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

How US satellites pinpointed source of missile that shot down airliner
Satellite technology built to detect ballistic missile launches caught Buk’s signature.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...ed-source-of-missile-that-shot-down-airliner/

During the Iran-Iraq War of the late 1980s and the Persian Gulf War in 1991, DSP satellites detected the launch of Iraqi “Scud” missiles and even surface-to-air missile batteries. And a capability called “Slow Walker” developed in the 1980s allowed satellites to track aircraft afterburner exhaust, a capability pushed by the US Navy to help it defend against potential attack by Soviet Tu-22 “Backfire” bombers.
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anyone else wondering what I am...

-t

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Well, it's a 'Chess Game' between the US and Russia governments, only because neither wants to compromise the capabilities of their detection and surveillance systems.

Here's some information on another source stating the US has solid evidence that is was a Ukrainian Army unit...

Interesting. IIRC, John Kerry claimed that the US had satellite images proving it was the separatists that fired the missile. This source claims that the analysis is not complete or definitive yet.

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The dog-not-barking question on the catastrophe over Ukraine is: what did the U.S. surveillance satellite imagery show? It's hard to believe that -- with the attention that U.S. intelligence has concentrated on eastern Ukraine for the past half year that the alleged trucking of several large Buk anti-aircraft missile systems from Russia to Ukraine and then back to Russia didn't show up somewhere.

Yes, there are limitations to what U.S. spy satellites can see. But the Buk missiles are about 16 feet long and they are usually mounted on trucks or tanks. Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 also went down during the afternoon, not at night, meaning the missile battery was not concealed by darkness.

So why hasn't this question of U.S. spy-in-the-sky photos -- and what they reveal -- been pressed by the major U.S. news media? How can the Washington Post run front-page stories, such as the one on Sunday with the definitive title "U.S. official: Russia gave systems," without demanding from these U.S. officials details about what the U.S. satellite images disclose?
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What I've been told by one source, who has provided accurate information on similar matters in the past, is that U.S. intelligence agencies do have detailed satellite images of the likely missile battery that launched the fateful missile, but the battery appears to have been under the control of Ukrainian government troops dressed in what look like Ukrainian uniforms.

The source said CIA analysts were still not ruling out the possibility that the troops were actually eastern Ukrainian rebels in similar uniforms but the initial assessment was that the troops were Ukrainian soldiers. There also was the suggestion that the soldiers involved were undisciplined and possibly drunk, since the imagery showed what looked like beer bottles scattered around the site, the source said.
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More:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Wh...alism_Putin_Russia_Satellites-140720-864.html

 

[Brian4Liberty]

How US satellites pinpointed source of missile that shot down airliner
Satellite technology built to detect ballistic missile launches caught Buk’s signature.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...ed-source-of-missile-that-shot-down-airliner/

And there's the official Whitehouse story...

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President Barack Obama today said without hesitation that the missile that shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was launched from within territory controlled by pro-Russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine. While he didn’t go into the sources the US used to pinpoint the launch, early reports say that US intelligence had identified the infrared signature of a missile launch just before contact with the airliner was lost.

That information likely came from one of a network of satellites operated by the Air Force and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), the US intelligence community’s spy satellite operations agency. Using highly sensitive infrared sensors and other electronic intelligence gathering sensors, these satellites can detect a variety of ground-based missile systems, as well as some aircraft, by their infrared signature. They also carry sensitive electronic intelligence sensors that can detect radar signals associated with anti-aircraft missile systems like the Buk launcher that has been widely pointed to as the culprit in the MH17 downing.
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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...ed-source-of-missile-that-shot-down-airliner/

 

[acptulsa]

I bet even you have a theory.

How much?

I don't weave anything out of whole cloth.

Airplanes tend to not bounce very well.

Some parts do. The tires, for example.

Spoiler alert, not very far and sure as hell not 6 miles. Also terminal velocity of a human is achieved at roughly 1800 Feet, so 30,000 feet makes no difference...

So no a tail of an airplane does not bounce 6 miles after nearly falling six miles.

And here's a 'spoiler alert' for you, Bubba. Parts of Flight 93 were found a similar distance from the main crash site. Do you really think Boeing designs those things to hold completely together in a sustained power dive from 30,000 feet? Do you have any idea how heavy they would have to make them for them to pull that feat off?

The photos show a rather compact area chock full of debris. That couldn't happen if the aircraft had the structure of its fuselage seriously compromised at thirty K. Just don't see how that could happen.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

The elasticity of rubber tires is not going to fair that well with that much kinetic energy. I wouldn't want to buy used ones that had been through that.

Blood - it's absorption. Earth likes it and will readily accept it, leading to impressions of less blood loss. You are basically a bag of skin. 70% of your body volume is water. If you fall from that kind of height, well, maybe splat, but most likely your skeletal system gets pulverized like a packet of crackers meeting a hammer and you bleed out FAST! ie loose consciousness and die. I imagine it would go down something like this... perhaps not that bad a way to die...

WTF...
What happened to the gravity...
What happened to the oxygen...
BACKOUT!

Given an 11 story building and the prospects of falling off it...

Mice - bounce!
People - break! (and usually die)
Elephants go SPLAT!

Body mass and weight matter...

-t

 

[devil21]

According to who is it headed to Russia? And does headed to Russia mean headed East and or North, or does it mean at the border crossing?
All you have is a picture with an interpretation by the AP, which was probably given to them by Kiev.

Judging by the bend in the trailer and the general condition of the transport, I really don't think it would make it to Russia

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

How US satellites pinpointed source of missile that shot down airliner
Satellite technology built to detect ballistic missile launches caught Buk’s signature.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...ed-source-of-missile-that-shot-down-airliner/

During the Iran-Iraq War of the late 1980s and the Persian Gulf War in 1991, DSP satellites detected the launch of Iraqi “Scud” missiles and even surface-to-air missile batteries. And a capability called “Slow Walker” developed in the 1980s allowed satellites to track aircraft afterburner exhaust, a capability pushed by the US Navy to help it defend against potential attack by Soviet Tu-22 “Backfire” bombers.
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anyone else wondering what I am...

-t

That reporting is also based on the older DSP models from 1980s technology... now advance 30 years of generational and technological enhancements/advancements... add the new SBIRS constellations(current costs in the $10-15 Billion in expenditures, and you're talking on a level of total NSA surveillance of anything IR/rockets... looks like a bottle rocket can't escape the multiple layers of the 3D detection systems of today.

Ukraine fits the prime directives:

• Theater and strategic missile defense information, to provide early targeting data to systems such as the Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense system aboard US Navy cruisers
• Collecting technical intelligence on potential adversary’s missile systems
• “Battlespace awareness”—real-time information provided to military commanders about infrared “events” that could affect forces in the field and provide data for strike planning against launch systems.

Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Tactical_Ground_Station
and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Support_Program
and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Based_Infrared_System

USSPACECOM's FACTSHEET information:

h XXp://www.afspc.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet_print.asp?fsID=3675[

Ground control and mission data analysis for the new SBIRS GEO satellites and HEO payloads will be performed by the 2nd Space Warning Squadron (SWS) in the Mission Control Station (MCS) at Buckley AFB, CO, as it currently conducts for the DSP satellites.

Ground control of the HEO sensors is currently performed by the 11th SWS in the Mission Control Station Backup (MCSB) at Schriever AFB, CO.

The ground architecture also consists of the Interim MCSB (IMCSB) in Boulder, CO, Relay Ground Stations (RGS) located around the world and a Mobile Ground System (MGS). The SBIRS Survivable Endurable Evolution (S2E2) will replace the MGS.

The US Army's in-theater Joint Tactical Ground Stations (JTAGS) units, which currently receive and process DSP data, will be transitioned to receive and process SBIRS sensor data.

HUGE 'Cash Cow' for Lockheed Martin: http://www.afcea.org/content/?q=taxonomy/term/655

Patch below gives you an indication of 3 systems (3 main stars) as well as the eagle eyes of surveillamce from the sky.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

And we still have MAD where the US population is thrown under the bus, at the expense of COG... while China's and Russia's populations are protected.

Who the fuck are the psychopaths running this country...

-t

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

That reporting is also based on the older DSP models from 1980s technology... now advance 30 years of generational and technological enhancements/advancements... add the new SBIRS constellations(current costs in the $10-15 Billion in expenditures, and you're talking on a level of total NSA surveillance of anything IR/rockets... looks like a bottle rocket can't escape the multiple layers of the 3D detection systems of today.

Except that they only have a couple of birds in the sky and are relying on the older ones...

No wonder air traffic control is being switched to sat, so nape of the earth flying is picked up...

-t

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

And there's the official White house story...

Okay, let's dissect what the clever speechwriters and Puppet President stated"

President Barack Obama today said without hesitation that the missile that shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was launched from within territory controlled by pro-Russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine.

He didn't say the Russians launched it or even the Rebels launched it... So it could of been one of many numerous groups; CIA, Mossad, Blackwater, Maidan, YAT's secret ops... etc. This how they get away with making deceitful statement.

While he didn’t go into the sources the US used to pinpoint the launch, early reports say that US intelligence had identified the infrared signature of a missile launch just before contact with the airliner was lost.

This so vague... sources of detection have not disclosed for validity and a heat/IR signature detected/launch can also be from an Air to Air missile.

Interesting. IIRC, John Kerry claimed that the US had satellite images proving it was the separatists that fired the missile. This source claims that the analysis is not complete or definitive yet.

Yep, Kerry says nothing... his words/messages are for 10 year olds.

The dog-not-barking question on the catastrophe over Ukraine is: what did the U.S. surveillance satellite imagery show? It's hard to believe that -- with the attention that U.S. intelligence has concentrated on eastern Ukraine for the past half year that the alleged trucking of several large Buk anti-aircraft missile systems from Russia to Ukraine and then back to Russia didn't show up somewhere.

Where's big mouth Colin Powell and his surveillance pictures? lol

Yes, there are limitations to what U.S. spy satellites can see. But the Buk missiles are about 16 feet long and they are usually mounted on trucks or tanks. Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 also went down during the afternoon, not at night, meaning the missile battery was not concealed by darkness.

Many nations have the data, no one is sharing the truth. You know the NRO had many of their instruments, a slew of technologies, tasked/Delta-V'd on watching every bit of eastern Ukraine/Russia... this is Kerry-Nuland-Arseniy "Yats" Yatsenyuk, Jane Harmon, CFR's started war and they should be held completely responsible.

So why hasn't this question of U.S. spy-in-the-sky photos -- and what they reveal -- been pressed by the major U.S. news media? How can the Washington Post run front-page stories, such as the one on Sunday with the definitive title "U.S. official: Russia gave systems," without demanding from these U.S. officials details about what the U.S. satellite images disclose?

Another day, more media blaming Russia, no true evidence, just speculation and blaming Putin. How come one is blaming Victoria Nuland, Jeffery Pyatt, Yats, the Department of State, CIA, Blackwater/XE/Academa? Their responsible for all of this in the first place. Why haven't they been charged? BTW, where is Robert Kagan's wife, she was so confident of herself when planning the overthrow of the Ukrainian government, and now?