Malaysia Airlines passenger jet reportedly shot down in Ukraine

My working theory is that Ukrainian air traffic control guided them over Donetsk, and considering that the airspace over Donetsk has been restricted for some time now, the Pro-Russians shot it down assuming it was military.

Why would ATC guide them over Donetsk? And why would a pilot be so stupid to follow those directions? Other airlines have been avoiding that region like the plague for months.
 
My working theory is that Ukrainian air traffic control guided them over Donetsk, and considering that the airspace over Donetsk has been restricted for some time now, the Pro-Russians shot it down assuming it was military.

Why would ATC guide them over Donetsk? And why would a pilot be so stupid to follow those directions? Other airlines have been avoiding that region like the plague for months.

you haven't identified who benefits. I have. Israel benefits, immediately, and still is. You can keep wasting your time blaming Russians and Ukranians, Israel is getting away with this, they did it right.
 
you haven't identified who benefits. I have. Israel benefits, immediately, and still is. You can keep wasting your time blaming Russians and Ukranians, Israel is getting away with this, they did it right.

Because they got to invade Gaza with impunity due to the distraction? They've been invading Gaza with impunity for many decades...

Unless of course you meant something else entirely, in which case do explain
 
you haven't identified who benefits. I have. Israel benefits, immediately, and still is. You can keep wasting your time blaming Russians and Ukranians, Israel is getting away with this, they did it right.

You used to have the best troll award medallion, but I'm afraid we will have to ask for it back now.
 
Would a trained operator of BUK missles know what kind of plane it was? And wasn't netherlands one of Russias closest allies?
 
I still think it wasn't deliberate to bring down a civilian airliner. They thought they were shooting at a Ukrainian government plane. The Malaysian jet just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
This whole thing is a NATO put-up job on Russia in retaliation for the establishment of the new BRICS bank.

you haven't identified who benefits. I have. Israel .

Israel is a side issue but related. Israel has spies in NATO and therefore knew this was coming. They've timed their latest offensive against Palestine for now because they know the European/world diplomatic community would already have their hands full with this airplane/Russia bullshit.
 
just because there's a conspiracy doesn't mean it's the same plane from MH370.

Where did I mention anything about MH370? Backing up, where the fuck have I said anything about a conspiracy in this thread???

You buffoons demanded evidence of someone saying there were bodies with no (or mostly no) blood. I provided a video showing someone saying exactly that. And that was it.

Who's the conspiracy theorist, again?

Idiot.
 
This whole thing is a NATO put-up job on Russia in retaliation for the establishment of the new BRICS bank.



Israel is a side issue but related. Israel has spies in NATO and therefore knew this was coming. They've timed their latest offensive against Palestine for now because they know the European/world diplomatic community would already have their hands full with this airplane/Russia bullshit.

Yup NATO/EU/America fear the new BRICS bank. Just how they feared Gaddafi's gold as they know that there time of ruling is almost coming to end.
 
Actually he says there was an odor but does not describe the odor- you are assuming it smelled like formaldehyde. It could have been many things. Jet fuel (which is diesel) or burned things. Or maybe the contents of some of the internal organs of the body were released when the body hit the ground from high altitude. He also said "practically no blood"- not "no blood".

Jet fuel is actually a grade of kerosene not diesel.
 
You damn right I'm going to be a condescending asshole to conspiracy theorists unless they have evidence.

Evidence?

I have been looking for evidence. very little has been presented and none to back up half the accusations.

The plane hit the ground. Debris is on the ground.. a large burned area with aircraft parts and remains.

some parts were scattered a bit farther.

There is no footage (yet) of the plane still in the air or of it's spin to the ground.

There is no footage of any missile,, either from the ground or the air. That is purely speculation.

There could have been a bomb on the plane. or a suicide pilot.

I am not pushing any conspiracy theory.. The MSM is.
 
Evidence?

I have been looking for evidence. very little has been presented and none to back up half the accusations.

The plane hit the ground. Debris is on the ground.. a large burned area with aircraft parts and remains.

some parts were scattered a bit farther.

There is no footage (yet) of the plane still in the air or of it's spin to the ground.

There is no footage of any missile,, either from the ground or the air. That is purely speculation.

There could have been a bomb on the plane. or a suicide pilot.

I am not pushing any conspiracy theory.. The MSM is.


The lack of evidence IS stunning, I must agree. And this is from someone who is usually quick to be annoyed by the "conspiracy" crowd on here. But seriously, there CAN'T be much evidence because no one with any know how has done any investigation yet. I've seen nothing except speculation when it comes to there even having been a missile (though, it is a logical thing to speculate, given where this went down).
 
Ukrainian heavy mechanized forces start offensive into Donetsk airport/city limits: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europ...assault-donetsk-rebels-20147218382937765.html

Ukraine launches assault on Donetsk rebels, Heavy fighting breaks out as Dutch inspectors head to crash site of Malaysia Airlines jet shot down 80km away.


It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the same deceitful game plan of operation "Enduring Freedom to Steal Ukraine", just put 1+1 together realizing the subversion and false flags by the USUAL SUSPECTS aka 'merchants of death' across the globe; John McCain, Victoria Nuland, Jeffery Pyatt, John Kerry, Arseniy “Yats” Yatsenyuk, Petro "Willy Wonka" Poroshenko, Vitali "Klits" Klitschko... on & on

Here's a light snack...
Boom! MH17 Smoking Guns Emerge! Kiev Did It! Complete Compilation Of All The Evidence As MH17 False Flag Falls Apart!
 
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Ukrainian heavy mechanized forces start offensive into Donetsk airport/city limits: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europ...assault-donetsk-rebels-20147218382937765.html




It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the same deceitful game plan of operation "Enduring Freedom to Steal Ukraine", just put 1+1 together realizing the subversion and false flags by the USUAL SUSPECTS aka 'merchants of death' across the globe; John McCain, Victoria Nuland, Jeffery Pyatt, John Kerry, Arseniy “Yats” Yatsenyuk, Petro "Willy Wonka" Poroshenko, Vitali "Klits" Klitschko... on & on

Here's a light snack...



I was with the video until the numerology stuff.
 
I was with the video until the numerology stuff.

Yeah, not really buying that one.

It did give some info about the mysterious, unconfirmed Spanish air controller. Just sounds like an amateur propagandist though. If RT actually confirmed this guy as valid, they would be reporting on it non-stop.

One of the strangest stories to emerge from the wreckage of Malaysian Airlines flight from Amsterdam that was downed in Eastern Ukraine involves a purported Spanish air traffic controller working in Kiev and known only by his blog name—Carlos—and Twitter handle, @spainbuca.

As soon as the plane went down, Carlos started tweeting about how it was shot down by the “Kiev authorities, trying to make it look it might be an attack by pro-Russian forces.”

Carlos also reported that the Ukraine military had taken over the air traffic control tower in Kiev; that before the airliner was shot down, it was being shadowed by two Ukrainian fighter planes; that a military report indicated that the missile’s firing location had been traced back to an area that was not “in the rebel zone” and so on.

One message after the other piled on the idea that it was the Ukrainian government that had shot down the airplane, not the pro-Russian rebels.

Another tweet by Carlos: “Before they take away my teleph or break my head, [it was] shot down by Kiev.”

Then Thursday afternoon, Carlos’ Twitter account was mysteriously taken down and his blog page went dark. It was first reported on RT en Español, a Spanish-language video and Internet arm of the Russian RIA Novosti news agency.

But there are serious questions about Carlos’ identity.

The Spain Report, an English-language online newspaper based in that country, contacted the Spanish embassy in Kiev asking about Carlos and was told, “We have no knowledge of ‘Carlos’ having been in Ukraine. There is no record of his passing through the Consulate, and no one from the (relatively small) Spanish colony knows him.”

The statement went on to say that all of the air traffic controllers at the airport where he claimed to work “are Ukranian, and that in any case they have never employed any Spaniard for that or any other task [at the airport].”
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http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/ne...kraine-claims-mysterious-spanish-air-traffic/
 
Is that how the debris was able to spread over 13 square miles?



It did seem to come down MOSTLY intact but certainly not completely intact. Unless that tail section bounced and rolled for six miles after the plane came down.

Tell you what. Let us drop you from 30,000 feet and measure how high you bounce and how far you roll.

You do realize, don't you, that a Superball dropped from that height will (if it survives the impact) bounce clear over the Matterhorn?

I still think it wasn't deliberate to bring down a civilian airliner. They thought they were shooting at a Ukrainian government plane. The Malaysian jet just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

And now we have an opinion. Isn't that special? Is this opinion founded on anything whatsoever besides wishful thinking and other sand?
 
I was with the video until the numerology stuff.

In the video, he was referring to Christine Lagarde (head of IMF) and her speech (which included numerology):



And, here's one persons interpretation of what SHE was saying:

 
SA-11 launcher on the way to Russia with one empty missile position:

murder-weapon-being-hidden-buk.jpg



My apologies for the interruption
 
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