Majority of Trump Voters Now in Favor of Seceding from the Union

[Anti Federalist]

Front page of Krudge right now.


SHOCK POLL: Majority of Trump Voters Now in Favor of Seceding from the Union

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/s...ters-now-in-favor-of-seceding-from-the-union/

By Colby Hall Oct 1st, 2021, 9:39 am

A shocking new poll from the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia reveals that over half of Trump voters surveyed, and 41% of Biden voters, are in favor of blue and/or red states seceding from the union. Yeah, it’s gotten that bad.

The idea that the nation’s political divide has become so toxic that we should prepare from some sort of “national divorce” has largely been left to clever thought experiments best left for dinner parties and ironically detached columns. However, we’ve now arrived at a point where more than half of Trump voters “somewhat agree” that the time for secession is nigh.

From the Center for Politics report:

Significant numbers of both Trump and Biden voters show a willingness to consider violating democratic tendencies and norms if needed to serve their priorities. Roughly 2 in 10 Trump and Biden voters strongly agree it would be better if a “President could take needed actions without being constrained by Congress or courts,” and roughly 4 in 10 (41%) of Biden and half (52%) of Trump voters at least somewhat agree that it’s time to split the country, favoring blue/red states seceding from the union.

The report continues by examining the broad political dissolution felt by members of both parties (emphasis mine.):

— On one hand, roughly 80% of Trump and Biden voters view democracy as preferable to any non-democratic kind of government.

— On the other hand, more than 6 in 10 Trump and Biden voters see America as less a representative democracy and more a system that is run by and rigged for the benefit of the wealthy.

— Overall, more than two-thirds support — and one-third strongly — emboldening and empowering strong leaders and taking the law into their own hands when it comes to dealing with people or groups they view as dangerous.

— And their willingness to consider violating democratic tendencies and norms extends beyond the hypothetical and to a dangerous and alarming finding: Roughly 2 in 10 Trump and Biden voters — or more than 31 million Americans — strongly agree it would be better if a “President could take needed actions without being constrained by Congress or courts” (as extrapolated from the results of this survey). Roughly 4 in 10 (41%) of Biden and half (52%) of Trump voters at least somewhat agree that it’s time to split the country, favoring blue/red states seceding from the union.

A shocking YouGov poll in June found that 66% of Republicans in southern states want to secede from the United States. That survey, which was done in conjunction with BrightLineWatch, looked at the current political climate in America. The most stunning question concerned support or opposition for the state in which respondents lived in “seceding from the United States to join a new union with [list of states in new union]?”

President Joe Biden largely ran on a platform of reunification, and despite an effective six first months of largely positive approval ratings, recent missteps in Afghanistan, and a resurgence of Covid infections, which is — ironically, largely due to Trump supporters refusal to get a vaccine — have led to his approval being underwater.

 

[TheTexan]

#Winning

 

[kahless]

Sounds like a majority of Trump voters want a authoritarian like dictatorship under Trump or someone like him, street justice and/or further empowering the police.

I guess the trick is to be in the area of people skeptical of both sides. I do not want to be in the authoritarian D region or authoritarian R region if separation ever goes down.

 

[TheTexan]

Sounds like a majority of Trump voters want a authoritarian like dictatorship under Trump or someone like him, street justice and/or further empowering the police.

I guess the trick is to be in the area of people skeptical of both sides. I do not want to be in the authoritarian D region or authoritarian R region if separation ever goes down.

Does it matter? Separation is always a good thing. Government should be as local as possible.

This is possibly the best political development since the gradual return of open carry.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Sounds like a majority of Trump voters want a authoritarian like dictatorship under Trump or someone like him, street justice and/or further empowering the police.

I guess the trick is to be in the area of people skeptical of both sides. I do not want to be in the authoritarian D region or authoritarian R region if separation ever goes down.

My highlighted quote was "overall" that was both Biden and Trump voters.

Freedom is not popular.

I am still wholly in favor of secession, before there is a bloody conflict that results in millions of dead.

 

[kahless]

Does it matter? Separation is always a good thing. Government should be as local as possible.

This is possibly the best political development since the gradual return of open carry.

I have been openly for succession and local limited government since I started posting here. Just somewhat concerning if it ends up large swaths of the country seceding to become an authoritarian dictatorship. Hopefully that would not be the case.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Of course, the typical Marxist mind being as dense and obtuse as a hunk of neutron star, he never thinks to ask "why"?

That would also some level of "give and take" which, of course, is not evident as well.

All that is desired is silencing and utter crushing of any dissent.



Bernstein: U.S. Is in a ‘Civil War’ — Republicans Are a ‘Secessionist Movement’

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/202...-war-republicans-are-a-secessionist-movement/

Pam Key 1 Oct 2021

CNN political analyst Carl Bernstein said Friday on CNN’s “New Day” that former President Donald Trump helped transform the Republican Party into a “secessionist movement” causing a “civil war.”

Bernstein said, “Democracy is in peril because the Republican Party has become the party of Trumpism and the party of disenfranchisement. What we have seen in Idaho, what we have also seen in Arizona, in these supposed recounts ordered because of supposed voter fraud, is it doesn’t exist. It is part of the Big Lie. The Big Lie is not just about the lie that Donald Trump did not lose the election a few months ago, but rather it looks toward … 2024 and the idea that we are going to have another, quote, rigged election. They’re setting this up so that there can be no legitimacy in our electoral process.”

He added, “The Republican Party has been taken over by this movement, that is the most radical political movement of our lifetime, that has come to power in any form in Washington, in our state legislatures. I think what we really need to acknowledge here is that we are in a civil war in this country. We are in a cultural civil war, such as we have never seen since 1860 to 1865. And that the radicalism of the Republican Party today is almost comparable to a secessionist movement in this country because of what the Republican Party now advocates. Trumpism doesn’t need Donald Trump anymore. He’s fanned the flames, he’s ignited them and the movement, and we need in journalism, in particular in the media, to start looking at what’s going on in the country outside of Washington.”

 

[TheTexan]

I have been openly for succession and local limited government since I started posting here. Just somewhat concerning if it ends up large swaths of the country seceding to become an authoritarian dictatorship. Hopefully that would not be the case.

The authoritarian dictatorship(s) is happening and there's not really any good way of stopping it. That ship has already sailed.

The only question is can we minimize its geographic scope.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I have been openly for succession and local limited government since I started posting here. Just somewhat concerning if it ends up large swaths of the country seceding to become an authoritarian dictatorship. Hopefully that would not be the case.

Who says it's limited to two only?

I can certainly see a few states willingly seceding and instituting a powerful "king" type executive.

 

[Anti Federalist]

They’re setting this up so that there can be no legitimacy in our electoral process

"Our" electoral process has long since lost it's legitimacy.

Mass mail in ballots, weeks of "election days", massive migrant invasion of voters, widespread vote fraud have all come together to destroy, permanently, any trust in the voting system.

One day only, voting on paper ballot, hand count, positive ID required, and chain of custody protections would start to restore that confidence.

But that's racist.

 

[TheTexan]

"Our" electoral process has long since lost it's legitimacy.

Mass mail in ballots, weeks of "election days", massive migrant invasion of voters, widespread vote fraud have all come together to destroy, permanently, any trust in the voting system.

One day only, voting on paper ballot, hand count, positive ID required, and chain of custody protections would start to restore that confidence.

But that's racist.

What I think is hilarious is that there are still some right wingers still giving a shit about the audits in Arizona or whatever.

Slow learners I guess.

It may be true that elections have always been rigged, but the last election definitely proved it.

 

[Invisible Man]

This is great news. But the way the poll is reported, not only at this article, but also at the source website (here), is unclear on a crucial point.

Did those Trump voters say they supported blue states seceding? Or their own states?

If they only said it about blue states, then it's not all that remarkable.

 

[tod evans]

Does it matter? Separation is always a good thing. Government should be as local as possible.

This is possibly the best political development since the gradual return of open carry.

Yup.

Just say NO to big-gov.

 

[TheTexan]

This is great news. But the way the poll is reported, not only at this article, but also at the source website (here), is unclear on a crucial point.

Did those Trump voters say they supported blue states seceding? Or their own states?

If they only said it about blue states, then it's not all that remarkable.

Seems like splitting hairs to me.

When a couple decides to get a divorce, someone is getting kicked out eventually. They can only both stay in the same house for so long.

 

[Anti Federalist]

This is great news. But the way the poll is reported, not only at this article, but also at the source website (here), is unclear on a crucial point.

Did those Trump voters say they supported blue states seceding? Or their own states?

If they only said it about blue states, then it's not all that remarkable.

I think the last question in this table is pretty clear: both are in favor of a separation.

 

[Anti Federalist]

UVA Center for Politics and Project Home Fire use innovative polling and data analytics to identify America’s political fissures, and explain ways to foster compromise

Well, ain't that a load of Kum-By-Ya horseshit.

Maybe start by having The Resident cease going in front of the American people and calling white people the greatest threat to the nation that exists.

 

[tod evans]

Seems like splitting hairs to me.

When a couple decides to get a divorce, someone is getting kicked out eventually. They can only both stay in the same house for so long.

Unlike when a couple divorces, when a country splits the productive and nonproductive tend to gravitate toward their own and this will cause trouble.

 

[Invisible Man]

Seems like splitting hairs to me.

When a couple decides to get a divorce, someone is getting kicked out eventually. They can only both stay in the same house for so long.

Nobody is getting kicked out.

The people with the power don't want to kick the Trumpers out. And the Trumpers don't want to leave (at least if the poll was done the way I was saying--which I'm not sure). Playing a game of, "No, you leave," with people who don't want the divorce is meaningless.

 

[Invisible Man]

I think the last question in this table is pretty clear: both are in favor of a separation.

It is unclear on precisely the point that I raised, which makes a big difference.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

They’re setting this up so that there can be no legitimacy in our electoral process.”

Look, I don't want to get dragged into the he said/she said, left vs. right, blue vs. red, R vs. D farcical game, but it was Democrats who yowled about the 2000 election, about the 2004 election, and about the 2016 election being "stolen". The progressives have established the model that there is no legitimacy in the "electoral process" (which, incidentally, they're accidentally correct, but for all the wrong reasons) for over 20 years now. The Republicans are guilty of their own multitude of crimes, but delegitimizing the "electoral process is not among them.