Majority of Trump Voters Now in Favor of Seceding from the Union

These ill feeling towards ones neighbor is due to censorship and the narrative pushed by the MSM. It's all manufactured. BUT regardless if it's manufactured the fear of unvaccinated, nonexistent white supremacists armies, etc. is very real. The way things are going it seems like its inevitable. Succession might be great in a vacuum, but China is probably licking its chops in anticipation.

Like I said, it may be inevitable, but there is a lot going on. None of it is good.
 
https://twitter.com/LPMisesCaucus/status/1443719579822403595

CNN political analyst Carl Bernstein said Friday on CNN’s “New Day” that former President Donald Trump helped transform the Republican Party into a “secessionist movement” causing a “civil war.”

Bernstein said, “Democracy is in peril because the Republican Party has become the party of Trumpism [...] The Big Lie is not just about the lie that Donald Trump did not lose the election a few months ago [...].”

He added, “[...] Trumpism doesn’t need Donald Trump anymore. He’s fanned the flames, he’s ignited them and the movement, and we need in journalism, in particular in the media, to start looking at what’s going on in the country outside of Washington.”

Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

Trump was the dam, not the river. Bubble-bound hacks like Carl Bernstein have never realized this. They probably never will.

https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/status/1387107524919369729


They’re setting this up so that there can be no legitimacy in our electoral process

"Our" electoral process has long since lost it's legitimacy.

Mass mail in ballots, weeks of "election days", massive migrant invasion of voters, widespread vote fraud have all come together to destroy, permanently, any trust in the voting system.

One day only, voting on paper ballot, hand count, positive ID required, and chain of custody protections would start to restore that confidence.

But that's racist.

Those things might help restore the illusion of confidence, but that's all it would be - an illusion. They certainly won't restore any legitimacy.

A third of a billion people simply cannot be "represented" by government in any meaningful, significant, or "legitimate" way.

It just isn't possible - and we are finally seeing that fact start to dawn on a lot more people.

Hopefully, it will dawn on enough people before even the illusion of democracy is discarded in favor of unapologetically naked totalitarianism.
 
Since Larry Sabato is the director of the UVA center for politics, I'm sure the way he phrased that secession question is right. That's the way the poll was actually put. Trump voters were only asked if they wanted blue states to secede (not their own states), and Biden voters were only asked if they wanted Trump states to secede (not their own).

Real success is when we have large numbers of people supporting the secession of their own state.
 
Bernstein said, “Democracy is in peril because the Republican Party has become the party of Trumpism and the party of disenfranchisement.

So, democracy is in difficulties because people are disenfranchised. And that means the disenfranchised are responsible for democracy's peril, because if they weren't disenfranchised democracy would be working.

Every time I see "liberal" opinion any more, it's the language of abusers. You made me hurt you.
 
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Look, I don't want to get dragged into the he said/she said, left vs. right, blue vs. red, R vs. D farcical game, but it was Democrats who yowled about the 2000 election, about the 2004 election, and about the 2016 election being "stolen". The progressives have established the model that there is no legitimacy in the "electoral process" (which, incidentally, they're accidentally correct, but for all the wrong reasons) for over 20 years now. The Republicans are guilty of their own multitude of crimes, but delegitimizing the "electoral process is not among them.

It's not "partisan bickering" if it's the truth.

+rep
 
So, democracy is in difficulties because people are disenfranchised. And that means the disenfranchised are responsible for democracy's peril, because if they weren't disenfranchised democracy would be working.

Every time I see "liberal" opinion any more, it's the language of abusers. You made me hurt you.

Owe ya a rep, that is exactly right. "Look what you made me do to you!"
 
So, democracy is in difficulties because people are disenfranchised. And that means the disenfranchised are responsible for democracy's peril, because if they weren't disenfranchised democracy would be working.

Every time I see "liberal" opinion any more, it's the language of abusers. You made me hurt you.

I see this too.

I also see conservatives using the language of the abused.

The mindset that says the abuser is the one who should leave the marriage (why would the abuser do that?), but we certainly won't be the ones to do that--no we'll stay for as long as they'll have us and keep abusing us, is one example.
 
Since Larry Sabato is the director of the UVA center for politics, I'm sure the way he phrased that secession question is right. That's the way the poll was actually put. Trump voters were only asked if they wanted blue states to secede (not their own states), and Biden voters were only asked if they wanted Trump states to secede (not their own).

Real success is when we have large numbers of people supporting the secession of their own state.

That's not consistent with other polling I have seen.

Those polls made it clear that a "yes" meant "I" wanted to secede.

The question asks "Blue/Red" in the same order it is posted.

I have to assume that it means Biden votes first and Trump voters second.
 
A third of a billion people simply cannot be "represented" by government in any meaningful, significant, or "legitimate" way.

Yes, you are quite right.

It becomes even more outlandish when you add "diversity" to that 330 million.

If all those people were homogeneous in race, culture, history, religion and so on, you could persevere as a nation for a long time, maybe not as representative republic, but as a cohesive country.
 
Front page of Krudge right now.


SHOCK POLL: Majority of Trump Voters Now in Favor of Seceding from the Union

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/s...ters-now-in-favor-of-seceding-from-the-union/

By Colby Hall Oct 1st, 2021, 9:39 am

A shocking new poll from the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia reveals that over half of Trump voters surveyed, and 41% of Biden voters, are in favor of blue and/or red states seceding from the union. Yeah, it’s gotten that bad.

The idea that the nation’s political divide has become so toxic that we should prepare from some sort of “national divorce” has largely been left to clever thought experiments best left for dinner parties and ironically detached columns. However, we’ve now arrived at a point where more than half of Trump voters “somewhat agree” that the time for secession is nigh.

From the Center for Politics report:

Significant numbers of both Trump and Biden voters show a willingness to consider violating democratic tendencies and norms if needed to serve their priorities. Roughly 2 in 10 Trump and Biden voters strongly agree it would be better if a “President could take needed actions without being constrained by Congress or courts,” and roughly 4 in 10 (41%) of Biden and half (52%) of Trump voters at least somewhat agree that it’s time to split the country, favoring blue/red states seceding from the union.

The report continues by examining the broad political dissolution felt by members of both parties (emphasis mine.):

— On one hand, roughly 80% of Trump and Biden voters view democracy as preferable to any non-democratic kind of government.

— On the other hand, more than 6 in 10 Trump and Biden voters see America as less a representative democracy and more a system that is run by and rigged for the benefit of the wealthy.

Overall, more than two-thirds support — and one-third strongly — emboldening and empowering strong leaders and taking the law into their own hands when it comes to dealing with people or groups they view as dangerous.

— And their willingness to consider violating democratic tendencies and norms extends beyond the hypothetical and to a dangerous and alarming finding: Roughly 2 in 10 Trump and Biden voters — or more than 31 million Americans — strongly agree it would be better if a “President could take needed actions without being constrained by Congress or courts” (as extrapolated from the results of this survey). Roughly 4 in 10 (41%) of Biden and half (52%) of Trump voters at least somewhat agree that it’s time to split the country, favoring blue/red states seceding from the union.

A shocking YouGov poll in June found that 66% of Republicans in southern states want to secede from the United States. That survey, which was done in conjunction with BrightLineWatch, looked at the current political climate in America. The most stunning question concerned support or opposition for the state in which respondents lived in “seceding from the United States to join a new union with [list of states in new union]?”

President Joe Biden largely ran on a platform of reunification, and despite an effective six first months of largely positive approval ratings, recent missteps in Afghanistan, and a resurgence of Covid infections, which is — ironically, largely due to Trump supporters refusal to get a vaccine — have led to his approval being underwater.

So....we're just going to ignore all of the data showing COVID surges in countries with 80% vaccination rates. And...we're going to ignore the unpopularity of the vaccine mandates themselves.
 
So....we're just going to ignore all of the data showing COVID surges in countries with 80% vaccination rates. And...we're going to ignore the unpopularity of the vaccine mandates themselves.


Yep- gotta have everyone's eye off the man-behind-the-curtain. :speaknoevil:
 
There was another poll like this with similar results and both sides thought that the other side should leave.

Nobody needs to "leave".

When the country folks get tired of the city folks BS we'll cut off their food supply.

Ya'll will come to heal within weeks.
 
They know who secedes from whom makes no difference. They just want to make sure everybody uses Rothschild funny money and nobody uses the Constitution.
 
So....we're just going to ignore all of the data showing COVID surges in countries with 80% vaccination rates. And...we're going to ignore the unpopularity of the vaccine mandates themselves.

At first I went "zuh", but then I saw the highlighted part and your response.

Yes, of course we're going to ignore that.
 
There was another poll like this with similar results and both sides thought that the other side should leave.

The form of the question polled was: “Would you support or oppose [your state] seceding from the United States to join a new union with [list of states in new union]?”

66 percent of GOP voters in the South said "yes".

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They don't get to keep the red counties.
If they don't agree to that then we will expel them without any territory.
 
Does it matter? Separation is always a good thing. Government should be as local as possible.

This is possibly the best political development since the gradual return of open carry.

It may not be perfect but other states will follow. Perhaps even one with closely aligned views of Dr. Paul.

Heck, it wasn't that long ago that even deep blue California wanted to secede. Of course that was when Trump was in but now they love it.
 
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