MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: Lawyers for Ron Paul Lawsuit NOTE: Having the lawsuit not up 4 debate

[ClydeCoulter]

What I'm wondering is why did they go to all the trouble to get affidavits from delegates, then not use them?

He has mentioned filing an Appellate Writ, perhaps the strategy all along was to get it to Appeals Court.

Perhaps he saw he didn't have time to fulfill the judges requirements, so he went with a simpler strategy for now, a "throw ourselves at the mercy of the court" with valid arguments on the RNC being a federal election. And, as I said earlier, he does seem to do a good job of it, to me.

 

[sailingaway]

Perhaps he saw he didn't have time to fulfill the judges requirements, so he went with a simpler strategy for now, a "throw ourselves at the mercy of the court" with valid arguments on the RNC being a federal election. And, as I said earlier, he does seem to do a good job of it, to me.

He had until Aug 20. But it is what it is. We'll continue collecting facts and vetting them and put them into fact statements, then we will at least have a tool to use.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Perhaps he saw he didn't have time to fulfill the judges requirements, so he went with a simpler strategy for now, a "throw ourselves at the mercy of the court" with valid arguments on the RNC being a federal election. And, as I said earlier, he does seem to do a good job of it, to me.

One reason I say this is that he removed the Federal Marshal protection request, which would have required him to show plausible/reasonable cause for concern of the delegates well being based on evidence.

 

[lawdida]

I don't know.

 

[TheKnowBuddies]

I don't really go for gilbert spin, but he said the judge agreed that it was possible that a national convention was a federal election. Something to that effect may be in the judge's order granting the motion to dismiss. otherwise, it would be in the transcript from Aug 6.

Is not the Offices of the President and Vice President positions in the "Federal Government" ?

 

[sailingaway]

One reason I say this is that he removed the Federal Marshal protection request, which would have required him to show plausible/reasonable cause for concern of the delegates well being based on evidence.

which we HAVE plenty of facts to support with LA and MO (and OK for that matter but I'm not sure I want to bring in two geezers punching our kids)

 

[RonRules]

One reason I say this is that he removed the Federal Marshal protection request, which would have required him to show plausible/reasonable cause for concern of the delegates well being based on evidence.

What also puzzled me about this in that it was not in any of the judges's documents or said in the courtroom. It's like the judge called him up and told him he's not an army colonel and call the brigades.

 

[libertylastchance]

because even though he had affidavits, they were not sufficant, they did not contain when where who... , if the affidavits were clear, the RG failed to present each case in his filing of the who, where, when..

 

[ClydeCoulter]

which we HAVE plenty of facts to support with LA and MO (and OK for that matter but I'm not sure I want to bring in two geezers punching our kids)

He may have read the thread here, and saw some of us saying that some of his "facts" were wrong, and thought he needed more time to make sure they were all correct before proceeding down that road.

Also, I don't know how tired, frustrated, etc.. he is right now. Aug 20 is 11 days away, but it is also only 7 days from the RNC. Would be cutting it close, and no time for any further arguments.

 

[CPUd]

Is not the Offices of the President and Vice President positions in the "Federal Government" ?

Yeah, I think the judge said if it's properly presented, it's possible that he would consider that conventions can be seen as federal elections.

 

[CPUd]

He may have read the thread here, and saw some of us saying that some of his "facts" were wrong, and thought he needed more time to make sure they were all correct before proceeding.

Also, I don't know how tired, frustrated, etc.. he is right now. Aug 20 is 11 days away, but it is also only 7 days from the RNC. Would be cutting it close, and no time for any further arguments.

If the court unbinds the delegates, it would make sense to do it as close to the convention as possible, since the defense will be scrambling to make an appeal. Right now, they're probably reading his amended complaint and LOLing, we'll see how much they change their motion to dismiss, if they even file one.

 

[kathy88]

Way back in the beginning of all this he said his purpose was twofold. 1. Unbundle all delegates. 2. Racketeering charges against the RNC. This is only the first lawsuit.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

If the court unbinds the delegates, it would make sense to do it as close to the convention as possible, since the defense will be scrambling to make an appeal.

If an appeal were made, would that put a hold on any judgement? Maybe the appeal needs to happen before Tampa?

 

[kathy88]

Unbind. Damn autocorrect.

 

[sailingaway]

If the court unbinds the delegates, it would make sense to do it as close to the convention as possible, since the defense will be scrambling to make an appeal.

To be honest, my first concern is to see the delegates seated and I thought the suit would focus attention on the fraud and abuse, pressuring the Credentials committee to play nice.


One good thing is that now Santorum/Bachmann supporters are sending letters to RNC delegates saying they aren't bound and should abstain from voting for Romney, I'm not sure Romney credentials committee will automatically see them as a better bet.

 

[libertylastchance]

the purpose is to get to the Federal election.. but is the nominating process in a Parties National Convention a federal election... "voting at a convention" to pick a candidate to represent the party in a federal election... ??

 

[CPUd]

If an appeal were made, would that put a hold on any judgement? Maybe the appeal needs to happen before Tampa?

I'm guessing, but they may go for an injunction against the judge's order. Reminds me of death penalty cases, waiting for a call from the red phone...

they can move fast when they need to.

 

[sailingaway]

If an appeal were made, would that put a hold on any judgement? Maybe the appeal needs to happen before Tampa?

Possibly. I'd have to read the court's ruling again. There was something about insufficiency of some things that he might want to challenge as being intimidation in one of the articles, but I don't remember actually seeing it in the court opinion, but I read it on computer, I didn't print it out and examine it closely.

 

[sailingaway]

the purpose is to get to the Federal election.. but is the nominating process in a Parties National Convention a federal election... "voting at a convention" to pick a candidate to represent the party in a federal election... ??

actually, that is how I read it originally and that was persuasive to me then, when I was more immersed in the language.

 

[jay_dub]

That is exactly what I am saying.


Someone above asked why I hadn't posted sooner. I applied for membership some time ago. It took awhile to get approved. Then, I really didn't have a chance to read everything until last night.

I'm not really buying this. Your join date is June 2012, so you've been a member for at least over a month and you said earlier you had been lurking prior to that.

Now, the judge didn't hear any of this until Monday so all developments from that are new. However, since you've been lurking for a while and this seems to be the only thread you have an interest in, I'd surmise that you should have known what tack Gilbert was taking and certainly could have commented on it sooner. The initial complaint was filed in mid June and has been a matter of record. There has also been a video outlining the basis for the suit since that time.

Had this suit been so flawed from the beginning, the obvious question is.....why didn't you comment on it earlier? Why the import now when it's already in motion? The only thing you are doing is much the same as Lawdiddle, only you claim more expertise.

Again...you have been a member for over a month, have been lurking for longer than that, should have been familiar with this case but only chose to comment now to say all is lost. Does that about sum it up?