MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: Lawyers for Ron Paul Lawsuit NOTE: Having the lawsuit not up 4 debate

I was hoping this could be a constructive tactical thread, neither cheerleading nor complaining about the suit but accepting that it IS going forward and trying to make it better.

It's difficult not to step in and cheerlead after pages of complaining and statements like "drop the case;" however, I can accept the idea of keeping it constructive (for whatever reason). Let's hope the complainers can keep their end of the bargain too (doubtful).
 
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...and creates bad blood between liberty republicans and the rest of the party.


So 1 lawsuit gainst RNC is creating bad blood but your suggestion for hunderts of lawsuits in every state will not create bad blood???? 1 is bad PR and another is good????????????????????????????????
You made your point. I dont agree with it. Stop stuffing your ideas down my/peoples throat/s. I am not going to stop supporting it, it will only make me not like you. If you start a project regarding this issue I will be glad to help.....

I was for this lawsuit from begining and I did read all documents because I am interested in this. I am aware of flaws in lawsuit and I am aware of Richard Gilberts personality and his flaws(I got 1 too(EVIL); RonRules is ineffective; LibertyEagle doesnt have sense of humor). I told him (them) that openly. All this doesnt change simple fact: This lawsuit is right thing to do. We all make mistakes and we cant be best friends with everybody but that doesne mean we must sabotage each others efforts to get Ron Paul elected, promeote liberty etc.

I am also aware of problems on this forum and that current way of gathering information for LFRP is flawed but I stick with it because it is right thing to do (even if we do it with flawed methods).


Should we make a posts about collecting these inforamtion on Twitter, facebook, Dailypaul.com, RonPaul.com etc.?
How will privacy of people giving information be protected?
Who will do a "need to do" list?
 
we have a stickied thread at the top of this forum. I will take private identity info by pm if people want to trust me with it. So far only LA is clear, and the new actions in Maine. We need other states where we understand fraud occurred to step up. Arizona, for one. Oregon, for another, just to name two. We do have Wead's article but he can't attest to those facts it would be nice to get them from someone there. We had a thread but it got pretty confused by the end.
 
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The downside is bad PR and a record that can be used against liberty delegates in Tampa.

WHAT PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON..... they own the media, they control what goes out on the box... you say you want to control the narrative with video releases..... CONTROL THE NARRATIVE.... ARE YOU SMOKING SOMETHING SERIOUSLY. The west are taking out Syria as we speak and anyone you speak to thinks its a great idea to help the poor oppressed poeple there... and why do you think its such a great idea because THEY CONTROL THE NARRATIVE, NOT YOU. You say you want to help, but then previoulsy you said you didn't want this court case to go ahead at all. If I come over to America and hit you, are you going to do something about it or make video releases and control the narrative.

No where does Dr Paul say not to take this on... NO WHERE... he said if we find the fraud then he can't control what his supporters do, he didn't seem to be too bothered about us taking it on. If you feel this is so bad why don't you get another lawyer or point us to someone willing to give up their time to really lay it on the table for us, until such time this is all we have.

This is what we up against, traitors willing to kill their own to achieve their selfish objectives

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we have a stickied thread at the top of this forum. I will take private identity info by pm if people want to trust me with it. So far only LA is clear, and the new actions in Maine. We need other states where we understand fraud occurred to step up. Arizona, for one. We do have Wead's article but he can't attest to those facts it would be nice to get them from someone there. We had a thread but it got pretty confused by the end.

Yea I am subscribed to it but I didnt post anything there since only people who have evidance and facts and are witnesses should post there.
My concern is that only creating a topic will not give satisfying results. Only few people will read it and word that we are collecting this will not spread and be heard by people who know, have evidance or witnessed illegal activities, rules breaking etc. My current expectatios are 1-2 people will give some information not more. If this forum ad mampower I am for more proactive course of action: Activley seek delegates and people who can help (via scial media, Ron Paul web sites, meetup groups, youth for Ron Paul, meetups, local groups etc.). I am for this but in my opinion (obviously) we shold make a plan and set a clear goal. I could be wrong.


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@freedomordeath Ron actuallywent further. He said: I WISH SOME PEOPLE WOULD. THE ONES THAT KNOW ABOUT IT. THEY OUGHT TO PURSUE THIS AND THEN SEE IF THEY CAN, WHATEVER THEY CAN DOCUMENT"
 
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I am for more proactive course of action: Activley seek delegates and people who can help (via scial media, Ron Paul web sites, meetup groups, youth for Ron Paul, meetups, local groups etc.). I am for this but in my opinion (obviously) we shold make a plan and set a clear goal.

OK great idea. Doit!

Let's see how effective you are.
 
OK great idea. Doit!

Let's see how effective you are.
He he he. I said I am evil not effective ha ha...


Anyway I am willing to help with this if there is decision to do it. I allread got accounts that I got no use from on all of those sites from 2 last moneybombs anyway.
 
Yea I am subscribed to it but I didnt post anything there since only people who have evidance and facts and are witnesses should post there.
My concern is that only creating a topic will not give satisfying results. Only few people will read it and word that we are collecting this will not spread and be heard by people who know, have evidance or witnessed illegal activities, rules breaking etc. My current expectatios are 1-2 people will give some information not more. If this forum ad mampower I am for more proactive course of action: Activley seek delegates and people who can help (via scial media, Ron Paul web sites, meetup groups, youth for Ron Paul, meetups, local groups etc.). I am for this but in my opinion (obviously) we shold make a plan and set a clear goal. I could be wrong.

Yeah... its good that there is some discussion, eg with the statement on the sticky (quoted below), didn't poeple say it needed to be rewritten with police officers as jon dow or something, that kinda imput can be invaluable, mabe sailing you can allow discussion but you act as judge jury and excutioner as to what stays and what doesn't (delete posts), becuse otherwise no one contributes, and I tend to fly off the handle smashing my keyboard when reading certain comments and will from now on ignore poeple that make me angry on this particular issue.

Private security (off duty police) in Louisiana State GOP convention at the specific bidding of Villiers, the self appointed temporarty chair of the convention manhandled the rightful rules chair duly elected the night before by the majority of the rules committee to force him from his elected office at the convention, breaking his fingers in the process. This even though during the process the self appointed temporary chair was removed from his seat by a majority of the state convention. Thereafter, at the bidding of Villiers, other private security manhandled Herford, the newly elected chair of the convention, knocking him to the floor and injuring his newly implanted prosthetic hip, requiring that he be removed from the convention by ambulence, and preventing him from contiuing with his duly elected position at the state convetion, requiring the election of a new chair.
 
It's bad PR because GOP insiders who want us and our ideas to go away will use it against us with other party members or even independents who might otherwise would have been interested in working with/joining us.

I'm amused by your "bad PR is good" strategy and applaud you for going for such a bold position. I still disagree, but people will have to judge for themselves I suppose.

C'mon. You're being ridiculous.

"Oh, honey, I was considering supporting Ron Paul but then, just last week, I heard some of his delegates were filing a lawsuit because they felt they'd been unfairly treated by the RNC! Screw them, I'm voting for Romney!"

The media has a field day with misrepresenting Ron Paul, outright lying about Ron Paul, and belittling and ridiculing his supporters. And you think this lawsuit is somehow going to be the straw that convinces people not to support Ron Paul. Ridiculous.
 
So 1 lawsuit gainst RNC is creating bad blood but your suggestion for hunderts of lawsuits in every state will not create bad blood???? 1 is bad PR and another is good????????????????????????????????
You made your point. I dont agree with it. Stop stuffing your ideas down my/peoples throat/s. I am not going to stop supporting it, it will only make me not like you. If you start a project regarding this issue I will be glad to help.....

I was for this lawsuit from begining and I did read all documents because I am interested in this. I am aware of flaws in lawsuit and I am aware of Richard Gilberts personality and his flaws(I got 1 too(EVIL); RonRules is ineffective; LibertyEagle doesnt have sense of humor). I told him (them) that openly. All this doesnt change simple fact: This lawsuit is right thing to do. We all make mistakes and we cant be best friends with everybody but that doesne mean we must sabotage each others efforts to get Ron Paul elected, promeote liberty etc.

I am also aware of problems on this forum and that current way of gathering information for LFRP is flawed but I stick with it because it is right thing to do (even if we do it with flawed methods).


Should we make a posts about collecting these inforamtion on Twitter, facebook, Dailypaul.com, RonPaul.com etc.?
How will privacy of people giving information be protected?
Who will do a "need to do" list?

Nobel effort, will be interesting to see how much of "who, where, when " you can actually gather.. certainly you can use the plaintiffs listed , as they are the ones who would have to provide the "proof"...
And how will this be of any benefit to RG as he has already filed his 3rd and final amendment? Certainly he has done "all" of this, as the judge was very clear, anticipating reading the final amendment
 
So 1 lawsuit gainst RNC is creating bad blood but your suggestion for hunderts of lawsuits in every state will not create bad blood???? 1 is bad PR and another is good????????????????????????????????
You made your point. I dont agree with it. Stop stuffing your ideas down my/peoples throat/s. I am not going to stop supporting it, it will only make me not like you. If you start a project regarding this issue I will be glad to help.....

I was for this lawsuit from begining and I did read all documents because I am interested in this. I am aware of flaws in lawsuit and I am aware of Richard Gilberts personality and his flaws(I got 1 too(EVIL); RonRules is ineffective; LibertyEagle doesnt have sense of humor). I told him (them) that openly. All this doesnt change simple fact: This lawsuit is right thing to do. We all make mistakes and we cant be best friends with everybody but that doesne mean we must sabotage each others efforts to get Ron Paul elected, promeote liberty etc.

I am also aware of problems on this forum and that current way of gathering information for LFRP is flawed but I stick with it because it is right thing to do (even if we do it with flawed methods).


Should we make a posts about collecting these inforamtion on Twitter, facebook, Dailypaul.com, RonPaul.com etc.?
How will privacy of people giving information be protected?
Who will do a "need to do" list?

Nobel effort, will be interesting to see how much of "who, where, when " you can actually gather.. certainly you can use the plaintiffs listed , as they are the ones who would have to provide the "proof"...
And how will this be of any benefit to RG as he has already filed his 3rd and final amendment? Certainly he has done "all" of this, as the judge was very clear, anticipating reading the final amendment
 
Lawdida,

I can see the logic of your position to an extent...

Suing the ATF because of a rogue agents actions is obviously futile.

I have no idea, but I would hope that there's proof of a larger conspiracy in the instant case. There have been too many similar incidences from one state to the next to discount the possibility.

Interstate collusion when combined with corrosion is enough to reach the bar of federal jurisdiction.

As far as alienating the rank-n-file GOP , from my personal perspective they exist in another reality and short of a Ron Paul presidency can serve no useful purpose to me. (I've said time and again that dems/repubs are just a new head for the same monster)

Again only my opinion......I have absolutely nothing for either political party, it's Ron Paul who I've chosen to support and even if this Gilbert fellow is a flake he is making a ruckus to try and get Paul delegates to the convention unmolested...

I'm kind of a fatalist in that I really don't see anything left of the America I grew up in much after this election let alone 2016...Even if RP is elected by some miracle he won't have much to work with to try and get our country back on track...
 
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