MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: Lawyers for Ron Paul Lawsuit NOTE: Having the lawsuit not up 4 debate

[pcosmar]

Judge Carter from a post on Daily Paul in 2009:

That has what to do with this?

Brought by lawyers from Richard Gilbert & Marlowe, which represents the Texas congressman, the suit seeks to "unbound" Paul delegates "to vote their conscience free from any intimidation from any person or entity."

"Plaintiffs come to Federal Court," states the complaint, "to seek the guidance of the court regarding the federal question as to whether plaintiffs are free to vote their conscience on the first and all ballots at the federal election known as the Republican National Convention, or whether plaintiffs are bound to vote for a particular candidate as instructed by defendants' state party bylaws, or state laws, or the preference of political operatives seeking affidavits of loyalty to a particular candidate under penalty of perjury."

The Paul delegates cite federal law that reads: "No person, whether acting under the color of law or otherwise, shall intimidate, threaten, coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of president."

 

[jbauer]

Unless they undo the 5 state rule you'd have to get that wouldn't you? That would at a minimum knock out grinch. Maybe Santorum?

 

[jay_dub]

Is it really necessary for you to act like this?

It was a joke. If it wasn't funny to you, move on.

Was it necessary? No. Was your post necessary? No.

 

[sailingaway]

Anyone know any of these "Lawyers for Ron Paul" people?
I know there is a thread researching the website and affiliations, but what is the standing of the lawyers, Richard and David, with grassroots?

I did check Gilbert with the bar, he is clean, in terms of no noted ethical violations, but his background isn't election law. My only question is whether it can backfire, but, heck, someone has to bring all the cheating that was done out, imho.

I wish them well.

 

[sailingaway]

Unless they undo the 5 state rule you'd have to get that wouldn't you? That would at a minimum knock out grinch. Maybe Santorum?

Ron should get Iowa. Ron SHOULD have five states. But Romney's folks are threatening credentials challenges basically across the board simply because they don't like that outcome, and they are expected to have most representation on the credentials committee so....

On the other hand, shining the light on WHY our credentials are pure AND THEIRS ARE NOT is precisely what this law suit should do.

 

[jay_dub]

Isn't Oklahoma being challenged? We won the rump convention hands down. That should be a state in our column.

 

[SilenceDewgooder]

Judge Carter from a post on Daily Paul in 2009:

That has what to do with this?

Case Number SACV 12-00927 was filed at the Ronald Reagan Courthouse in Santa Ana, California, Ninth Federal Circuit. Judge Carter is said to be assigned to the case.

 

[Carlybee]

The question is, will it all be resolved before the convention?

 

[jay_dub]

The question is, will it all be resolved before the convention?

I don't think it will 'all' be resolved before the convention. The important thing to have an immediate ruling on is the injunction allowing all delegates to vote their conscience. The RICO pursuit will take longer.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

News of this should bring some of the softies back to life and strengthen the funding for delegate chipins.

 

[TheGrinch]

The thing that pisses me off is that they can't do anything about those who didn't make it to the state conventions and now national, because of their shenanigans. We very nearly had a majority in GA, and might have if not for the Athens slate getting thrown out instead of being ours (best we could have hoped for), as well as in Cobb county and maybe other places... That's what really irks me, is that we might well have the numbers needed otherwise.

Can't complain for the chance to let everyone vote their conscience and see if they maybe can't convince them to do the right thing, but I wouldn't get my hopes up too much and be set up for dissapointment. Not to be a downer, but expectations need to be tempered. If they know they have the numbers to push Mitt through, then expect them to just be more private about their "unity slate".

Not saying it's not worth trying, it certainly is when this will be our best shot, but at this point, I'd probably be just as happy to see real legal action and ousting of all those who did the disenfranchising (though that's just what I'd like to see. It sounds as if it's unlikely from what Doug says, and with what route they've decided to go here).

 

[moonshine5757]

meh. good luck with this

 

[libertygrl]

I don't have much time and I'm stuggling with major allergies today, but this is just a brief excerpt from what I could transcribe in the beginning so you can get a general idea:

Topic: A civil suit against the RNC

Guests: David Callahan operations director for Lawyers for Ron Paul
Richard Gilbert: Attorney for the delegates to the Republican National Convention, and a member of Lawyers for Ron Paul

On the phone:
"This is Richard Gilbert. I can tell you that a decision has been made by Lawyers for Ron Paul to take over the Ron Paul campaign, without the permission of the Ron Paul Campaign. It is the people's mutiny. We are forming an executive committee, within the Lawyers for Ron Paul group, and we will no longer tolerate negotiations for the surrender of the campaign in exchange for some consession on one or more planks that we find to be meaningless in a platform. And so, we are going to go around the nation and publically announce that the L.F.R.P. and its executive committee, on behalf on the volunteers, ARE FROM NOW ON FORMALLY RUNNING THE RON PAUL CAMPAIGN. WE ARE IN IT TO WIN IT AND NOTHING LESS. WE ARE GOING TO STRIP MITT ROMNEY OF ALL OF HIS DELEGATES AND RON PAUL WILL BE PUT IN NOMINATION AND WIN THE NOMINATION, AND THAT IS OUR GOAL.. AND NOTHING LESS THAN THAT AND THAT'S WHAT OUR MISSION IS.

Whoa! This is HUGE! Sorry, I can't write more but I'm going to listen to the rest now.

 

[hipposelect]

Thank you. Jeez, I've had teeth pulled that came out easier than this.

 

[shishka]

I would love to see Ron Paul be the nominee, and I'm not typically pessimistic, but the very-near time will tell whether or not this legel end-around has any chance of succeeding. If it did, I would think the MSM would be all over it in the days to come. But like I said, we'll see very soon.

 

[jay_dub]

The thing that pisses me off is that they can't do anything about those who didn't make it to the state conventions and now national, because of their shenanigans. We very nearly had a majority in GA, and might have if not for the Athens slate getting thrown out instead of being ours (best we could have hoped for), as well as in Cobb county and maybe other places... That's what really irks me, is that we might well have the numbers needed otherwise.

Can't complain for the chance to let everyone vote their conscience and see if they maybe can't convince them to do the right thing, but I wouldn't get my hopes up too much and be set up for dissapointment. Not to be a downer, but expectations need to be tempered. If they know they have the numbers to push Mitt through, then expect them to just be more private about their "unity slate".

Not saying it's not worth trying, it certainly is when this will be our best shot, but at this point, I'd probably be just as happy to see real legal action and ousting of all those who did the disenfranchising (though that's just what I'd like to see. It sounds as if it's unlikely from what Doug says, and with what route they've decided to go here).

Some things just can't be undone. We don't get a do-over. This does give us the chance to maximize the hand we've been dealt, though. It might also put the brakes on shenanigans by the Old Guard for the few upcoming state conventions and at Tampa.

I agree....this doesn't give us a lock on anything. What it does is level the playing field. Success in this gives us a fighting chance.

No matter the outcome at Tampa, maybe this case will lead to a more fair process in future elections and that can only be a good thing.

 

[Cowlesy]

Why do I foresee this ending badly, with Ron really despising a lot of his own supporters...

 

[shishka]

Why do I foresee this ending badly, with Ron really despising a lot of his own supporters...

Yeah, I kinda thought this, too. What if Ron doesn't agree with this approach, and it somehow succeeds. How does he accept the nomination in good faith then?

 

[RDM]

Why do I foresee this ending badly, with Ron really despising a lot of his own supporters...

It seems like the NEW meme on these forums as of late is: This movement is bigger and much more important than Ron Paul

Are those "pushing" this NEW meme gonna backtrack now?

 

[Tudo]

Hey maybe an online protest will get some support! ( LOL )