MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: Lawyers for Ron Paul Lawsuit NOTE: Having the lawsuit not up 4 debate

We can't end the lawsuit, it has over a hundred delegate plaintiffs as I understand. My main concern is preserving their rights. We can't do what you are saying because WE cannot end the lawsuit. Every plaintiff has to do that, for that to work. MEanwhile, tomorrow at 9am the court is hearing arguments. So I don't see how that is helpful, again. We know you don't like it. We know the guy who habituates Mitt Romney Central chat doesn't like it. We would handle it differently ourselves, if we had the ability to give direction. So how is what you wrote helpful?

This lawsuit is in court, like it or not. So this lawsuit is what we are discussing.
 
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I didn't say we could end it. I said we could abandon and repudiate it and try to get others to do so as well. That means not trying to help Gilbert (and therefore not associating ourselves with those who desire to continue to peruse it). It means telling others it was ill conceived and poorly executed - a mistake. If the consensus of the movement is that it was a mistake, then intellectual credibility is maintained and/or restored. If people continue to try to make it work at this point, it reflects poorly on the judgment of those in the movement.

All delegates won't attempt to withdraw but even if we could get some to withdraw, it would restore credibility.

Please don't delete this. If you can't see how it's a helpful suggestion, at least others might.
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for poeple to abandon this ship, they need to jump to another ship or eveyone drowns. Its no good supplying an ideas ship, a real ship needs to be supplied. Do you have one.
 
Seriously? If you were on a ship that was sinking, you would hold on tight as it pulled you underwater because you didn't have another ship to hop on?

I would jump off, and try to grab a piece of the ship (like taking the already collected examples of fraud and abuse, organizing them and sorting out the fact from fiction so that they'll be ready to go) and either wait for a new ship to come by or swim in the direction where I'm likely to find another one.
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So the answer is NO then, you don't have us another ship or even a general direction where to swim to find another ship before we all drown.
 
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lawdida said:
Pay competent attorneys to file claims in the states in which the abuses occurred.

I know sailing away said she wants a single federal suit because it shows a pattern of abuses. The problem is, there is no way to prove that the various abuses are connected in a coordinated way.

Contrary to the picture Gilbert paints, Mitt Romney is not sitting in a war room coordinating with people in various states to defraud voters.

Generally, what is happening is local state party "leaders" are attempting to preserve their power and keep their party from being taken over by people they don't thing belong. Yes, there is a pattern but there is no causal relationship - certainly none that can be proven anyway.

So, while I can't offer you a big ship. There are enough smaller ships around for everyone to jump in.
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There are ways to allege it is a pattern overlooked in practice by RNC when rules are broken and show similarities between what was done in different states etc actually. You are arguing facts now, and you don't seem to know the facts.

The point is, there is a lawsuit in court. We don't have to 'go in that direction' it is already going. This thread is not about starting a different lawsuit, but you can start your own about a different lawsuit you would like to see. Not in this thread.

and the fec payments by Romney's campaign included payments to a guy reported to have passed fake slates to create confusion in MULTIPLE states. So while I'm sure Romney himself is not in a warroom directing details, there are links to the campaign in more than one state.
 
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nevermind.

So, tomorrow at 9 there is a hearing. Gilbert has been open to nonattacking tweets in the past but I can't think of anything succinct enough to help except the verifiable facts thread link I already sent him and the greenpapers article sent last week. He has a direction and I don't know that we can change it from here. Did anyone have any ideas?
 
BSU kid said:
It's hard to sugar coat these rulings over and over again, this lawsuit is not going well imo. Not negative, realistic.
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no, it isn't, imho, either. Please don't mistake our wanting this thread clear of mocking clutter as any ratification of actions taken.

I would have reacted very differently to the judge's last ruling which was actually very positive imho, if you followed his directions. Heck, I would have framed the question towards the fraud and abuse and making the RNC follow its own laws from the start. However, BEFORE that last ruling and before the complaint in response were filed lawdida et al were just as negative. That doesn't lead to constructive action.
 
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sailingaway said:
nevermind.

So, tomorrow at 9 there is a hearing. Gilbert has been open to nonattacking tweets in the past but I can't think of anything succinct enough to help except the verifiable facts thread link I already sent him and the greenpapers article sent last week. He has a direction and I don't know that we can change it from here. Did anyone have any ideas?
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Has he responded to you at all? Any sign he is seeing the thread?
 
BSU kid said:
Has he responded to you at all? Any sign he is seeing the thread?
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he sent me a message when I sent him the greenpapers write up the other day showing he had read it. Unfortunately, he may have people in the faceless pool of attorneys he speaks to who are misleading him, or, heck, he may be up to no good, or may be brilliant and I just don't understand where he's going with this. But I don't know what we can do more, between today and tomorrow, off hand. I'm open to suggestions, though.
 
sailingaway said:
he sent me a message when I sent him the greenpapers write up the other day showing he had read it. Unfortunately, he may have people in the faceless pool of attorneys he speaks to who are misleading him, or, heck, he may be up to no good, or may be brilliant and I just don't understand where he's going with this. But I don't know what we can do more, between today and tomorrow, off hand. I'm open to suggestions, though.
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I am glad he has at least acknowledged the efforts from this site, but I don't think we can do anything. Gilbert has all the power here.
 
BSU kid said:
Has he responded to you at all? Any sign he is seeing the thread?
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Others are twittering him:

Ron Paul - Real Hope ‏@tweetAmiracle
@USA_Free_Press Anything interesting happen today my friend?

Ron Paul - Real Hope ‏@tweetAmiracle
@USA_Free_Press Clarification of time on issuing ruling? Positive?
 
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