Maine Caucus Results Here

What do you mean? While CNN and some others are calling the raw votes state delegates, this actually isnt the case. The way the caucuses worked is essentially a two part process. First, they hold the presidential preference straw poll, which is what is being reported to the media. Then, they hold an election for delegates who will represent the town in the state convention in May. These delegates are not being reported to the press, because they are all officially "unpledged" to any candidate per Maine caucus rules. We wont officially know who these delegates will pledge to, until the May convention.

However, we can "unofficially" know who they intend to support through people who attended the caucuses, and from this information it appears that we are leading in state delegates who will vote in the convention.

The reason we are doing so well in delegates, yet not winning the straw poll, is essentially because its relatively easy to show up and vote, but it takes a bigger level of commitment to volunteer as a delegate as well. You not only have to pay a fee, but also have to find time in your schedule to show up for the convention, make arrangements to get there, etc. We have a much higher voter to delegate turnover rate than others, which is why we can be leading one while trailing the other.

The raw votes are not state delegates; but, it seems to me that if all we're going by is the reports of supporters on these forums, we're going to get biased results.

The people electing those delegates are overwhelmingly voting against us -- that doesn't cheer me.
 
congratulations to you Maine grassroots people, basically 20% and within 100 votes of McCockface. we will not be ignored!
 
The raw votes are not state delegates; but, it seems to me that if all we're going by is the reports of supporters on these forums, we're going to get biased results.

The people electing those delegates are overwhelmingly voting against us -- that doesn't cheer me.
Well, its not as though its just random supporters on the forums, its people who attended the caucuses and reported back about them. The best we can give you is that these reports indicate we are leading in delegates. You can take it at face value, or wait until May when the delegates officially pledge their support. I personally do not see any reason to doubt the people who are reporting back, but whether you do is up to you.
 
The raw votes are not state delegates; but, it seems to me that if all we're going by is the reports of supporters on these forums, we're going to get biased results.

The people electing those delegates are overwhelmingly voting against us -- that doesn't cheer me.

These are good points. One thing to consider is that the primary focus of most of the grassroots effort here in Maine for the past two months has been locating people willing and able to show up a their caucus and be prepared to make their case to be elected as a delegate. I'm sure the majority of people attending caucuses today (with the general exception of Ron Paul supporters) weren't even aware of the delegate electing aspect of the caucuses. I'd guess that over half of the people participating today have never been involved in a caucus. They simply didn't know what to expect. I know this is true of many people at our caucus location.

The focus of the RP supporters in Maine has been delegates. When it comes time for the State convention I'm sure the RP supporters will have plans in place and names in hand to make sure they can maximize their impact.
 
This sounds kinda like LA.. But you know what I say f&ck the MSM and their numbers.

People don't realize that the delegate numbers listed by the MSM are just fucking speculation.

I've really stopped paying attention to MSM and have been spending my time OFF THE COMPUTER/TV and going canvassing, meeting people, etc to spread the message.

F*CK THE MSM.
 
I hate MSM and I will get revenge!!!! LOL We all know Paul won that state....just like RP said he would LA...this is complete crap and GOP can go to hell!!!!!!!! GO RON PAUL!!!!!

Paul didn't win the straw poll, which is what the MSM is basing their reports on. You can tell he didn't from the reports posted here by our own supporters.

We may have captured more state delegates than any other candidate, but probably not an absolute majority, which is what would be required to guarantee that Paul gets all 18 delegates to the national convention.
 
MSM Acuracy Critical - Official Campaign get on it

Paul didn't win the straw poll, which is what the MSM is basing their reports on. You can tell he didn't from the reports posted here by our own supporters.

We may have captured more state delegates than any other candidate, but probably not an absolute majority, which is what would be required to guarantee that Paul gets all 18 delegates to the national convention.

MSM being correct this time is CRITICAL. Someone in charge in Maine needs to get the National to put pressure on the Maine GOP to straighten out the numbers and "Straw Poll" irrellavance.
 
MSM being correct this time is CRITICAL. Someone in charge in Maine needs to get the National to put pressure on the Maine GOP to straighten out the numbers and "Straw Poll" irrellavance.

Unfortunately, since the delegates are officially uncommitted, the straw poll is the only thing the MSM has to report. The Maine GOP will be able to provide the names of the delegates elected, but not who each delegate supports.
 
Unfortunately, since the delegates are officially uncommitted, the straw poll is the only thing the MSM has to report. The Maine GOP will be able to provide the names of the delegates elected, but not who each delegate supports.

It doesn't matter much regarding the delegates, because the MSM has spoken and Romney won in Maine followed by McCain. We needed to win the straw poll as a confidence builder moving into Super Tuesday. Didn't happen. Next.
 
It doesn't matter much regarding the delegates, because the MSM has spoken and Romney won in Maine followed by McCain. We needed to win the straw poll as a confidence builder moving into Super Tuesday. Didn't happen. Next.
And you really think the media would jump on it if Paul won the straw poll? Its the straw poll that doesnt matter; you lose it and the MSM ignores you, you win it and the MSM ignores you. People counting on the MSM to give us a boost under any conditions were kidding themselves.

Saying the "delegates dont matter" is incredibly naive - we are leading in delegates and this is what you need to win a state. The straw poll doesnt determine who wins the national delegates, its the state delegates who do. This was a substantive victory, something that a straw poll would not give us.
 
And you really think the media would jump on it if Paul won the straw poll? Its the straw poll that doesnt matter; you lose it and the MSM ignores you, you win it and the MSM ignores you. People counting on the MSM to give us a boost under any conditions were kidding themselves.

Saying the "delegates dont matter" is incredibly naive - we are leading in delegates and this is what you need to win a state. The straw poll doesnt determine who wins the national delegates, its the state delegates who do. This was a substantive victory, something that a straw poll would not give us.

It's incredibly naive to think that anyone outside of ron paul supporters cares about the intricacies of caucus procedures. When you're trying to convice people that think he's unelectable it helps to have had a clear cut victory.
 
It's incredibly naive to think that anyone outside of ron paul supporters cares about the intricacies of caucus procedures. When you're trying to convice people that think he's unelectable it helps to have had a clear cut victory.

Except when all of a sudden Ron Paul has all these Delegates from states where Romney voters came out to participate in the Straw Poll and left before the delegates were chosen.
 
Well if the news today is correct, we have 17 of 20 national delegates in one state.

Once the news circulates it will start to get attention.

I am not saying the state here. Find the thread and news and keep it quite for now. They are still trying to get a few more delegates. They have 2 left to caucus on Feb. 5th.

The delegates will count that we can pick up today in Maine.

Yes we would like a big popular vote win, but delegates gets us the convention and attention to win.
 
No, I am saying 17 of 20 ,so far, of another state who has been having their caucus this last week.
 
Except when all of a sudden Ron Paul has all these Delegates from states where Romney voters came out to participate in the Straw Poll and left before the delegates were chosen.

I think that would be great, but 17 delegates are not going to win the nomination for Ron. Again, my point was it would've been nice to have a MSM reported win in Maine going into super tuesday and for my own canvassing efforts.
 
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