#MagicResistance: The Rise of Feminist Witchcraft

[lilymc]

I've read the whole Potter series, and it's nothing more than a children's story, with no more witchery and saucery than say Cinderella.

It may be a children's story but the bottom line is it glorifies witchcraft/sorcery and tries to make all those things 'cool.' The crazy thing is, lots of Christians don't see it that way. In fact, I know some practicing Christians who like the Harry Potter series and let their kids read it. It may sound crazy to nonbelievers, but that's exactly what the enemy of God wants. That's why it's so important to be aware of what we put into our minds… because there's so much garbage out there, including things that are very appealing or addicting, but not good spiritually.

I agree with both Donna and pcosmar. We shouldn't worry, or be scared of those things. (1 John 4:4 says why) But at the same time, we need to be aware, especially when it comes to kids. As Jesus said: be wise as serpents and gentle as doves.

 

[donnay]

Hosea 4:6 - (KJV)
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Genesis 12:3 -
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Jeremiah 17:5 -
Thus saith the LORD; Cursed [be] the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

John 8:32 -
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

John 8:36 -
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

 

[Anti Federalist]

It may be a children's story but the bottom line is it glorifies witchcraft/sorcery and tries to make all those things 'cool.' The crazy thing is, lots of Christians don't see it that way. In fact, I know some practicing Christians who like the Harry Potter series and let their kids read it. It may sound crazy to nonbelievers, but that's exactly what the enemy of God wants. That's why it's so important to be aware of what we put into our minds… because there's so much garbage out there, including things that are very appealing or addicting, but not good spiritually.

I agree with both Donna and pcosmar. We shouldn't worry, or be scared of those things. (1 John 4:4 says why) But at the same time, we need to be aware, especially when it comes to kids. As Jesus said: be wise as serpents and gentle as doves.

Let's say these things are effective and real.

Should there not be a legal sanction of some sort against people who cause harm by spellcasting?

 

[dannno]

Let's say these things are effective and real.

Should there not be a legal sanction of some sort against people who cause harm by spellcasting?

Burned at the stake?

 

[lilymc]

Let's say these things are effective and real.

Should there not be a legal sanction of some sort against people who cause harm by spellcasting?

I've noticed you always, always, always turn arguments into a legal discussion. People are free to pray to whoever the hell they want. It's absurd to think that there should be laws against spellcasting or things like that. It's not a physical war, it's something that goes on in an entirely different realm. And as a couple of us have already said, we don't have to be afraid, if God is for you then who do you have to fear?

ETA: I just noticed, that post sounded kind of harsh, I'm sorry. :o

 

[euphemia]

Let's say these things are effective and real.

Should there not be a legal sanction of some sort against people who cause harm by spellcasting?

Is that a liberty position?

 

[Anti Federalist]

I've noticed you always, always, always turn arguments into a legal discussion. People are free to pray to whoever the hell they want. It's absurd to think that there should be laws against spellcasting or things like that. It's not a physical war, it's something that goes on in an entirely different realm. And as a couple of us have already said, we don't have to be afraid, if God is for you then who do you have to fear?

ETA: I just noticed, that post sounded kind of harsh, I'm sorry. :o

I was just curious, that's all.

if God is for you then who do you have to fear

God has a long history of destroying those most loyal to him.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Is that a liberty position?

I don't know, contrary to what has been posted, that wasn't snark, but an honest rumination.

 

[donnay]

I was just curious, that's all.



God has a long history of destroying those most loyal to him.

Really care to name them?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Really care to name them?

Job comes to mind off the top of my head.

 

[dannno]

I don't know, contrary to what has been posted, that wasn't snark, but an honest rumination.

With all of Trump's #winning it obviously doesn't work.

 

[donnay]

Job comes to mind off the top of my head.

Yeah and that is what I thought you were thinking. However, God did not destroy Job. Again you must know the context in it's entirety.

God knew Job was a faithful servant and Satan said he could turn Job's devotion for God if only God would take the wall of protection from him. God agreed because he knew Job would not cave in.

Job remained faithful even through the trials and tribulation that Satan placed upon him. This went on for 38 chapters. Job began to feel sorry for himself. Here is where God comes in...

Job 40 (KJV)

40 Moreover the Lord answered Job, and said,

2 Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.

3 Then Job answered the Lord, and said,

4 Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.

5 Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.

6 Then answered the Lord unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

7 Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.

8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?

9 Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him?

10 Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty.

11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him.

12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place.

13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.

14 Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee.


Fast forward...God rewarded Job for his faithfulness:

Job 42:10-17 (KJV)

10 And the Lord turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before.

11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.

12 So the Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.

13 He had also seven sons and three daughters.

14 And he called the name of the first, Jemima; and the name of the second, Kezia; and the name of the third, Kerenhappuch.

15 And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren.

16 After this lived Job an hundred and forty years, and saw his sons, and his sons' sons, even four generations.

17 So Job died, being old and full of days.

 

[ClaytonB]

Not intentionally provoking... but how is this any different from 'praying' for a supernatural power to intervene in the natural world? Looking at both objectively, I see no difference in a witch casting a 'spell' with a specific intention and a person 'praying to god' with a specific intention. Same same.

Good question. Revelation 21:8, "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” This list is not arbitrary, it wasn't constructed on John's whim. it is a very carefully constructed list and both cowards and those who practice magic arts (witchcraft, sorcery, whatever) will be consigned to the lake of fire. Ask yourself: Why does someone turn to witchcraft? Why cast a curse upon someone? Well, if you hate someone, you have two options - you can physically attack them or you can curse them (or, you could forgive them as Jesus taught us to do). If you're a small person or you are generally afraid of physical confrontation, yet you will not forgive, cursing is the only alternative.

As some other posters have pointed out, there is nothing fake about witchcraft, at least, in its active form (99% of the stuff that kids are doing is ill-advised but is not active witchcraft). The first time a witch-mother puts a hex on your hated enemy and he turns up deathly ill the next day, you say to yourself, "Wow, this is more powerful than I ever imagined" and then you partake of the forbidden fruit so that you, too, can have the power that the witch-mother has. And now you have passed through the gates of hell.

The English word "pray" literally means to beg or petition. The imagery is that of a weak peasant begging a powerful king to act on his behalf. "Please, King, my enemy is injuring me, will you make him stop?" The king, being righteous, does not act capriciously but, rather, serves a just sentence. In most cases, you will never see your enemy brought to justice for his wrongdoing in this life. But that's not the point, anyway, since the point of prayer is not to satisfy your base appetite to see your enemies writhing in pain, humiliated before you. The point of prayer is to submit your injuries to someone who has both the power and the legitimate authority to resolve the situation in a thoroughly just way.

The bully is always a coward. He will not face his opponent but attacks him from behind, catches him off guard or attacks someone at a massive strength disadvantage. Witchcraft is spiritual bullying. It utilizes a spiritual power that is overwhelming vis-a-vis its victims and it is done to satisfy the base appetites of those who practice it. In the end, those who practice it will burn.

 

[Working Poor]

Clayton we can still ask God to help the ones that can be helped to come out of this magic thing. I know with God all things are possible.

 

[Occam's Banana]

#MagicResistance?

Is that something like a saving throw ... ?

 

[ClaytonB]

Clayton we can still ask God to help the ones that can be helped to come out of this magic thing. I know with God all things are possible.

Of course. I don't mean to cause despair. My main trouble with modern Christianity is the implicit denial of the reality of witchcraft. Even in churches where it is nominally acknowledged to exist, it's still "hush, hush". What's the issue? Are you afraid to mention the devil? You shouldn't be. Or do you believe that witchcraft is the stuff of fairy tales, as the atheists do? And it seems the few people who do talk about it, won't talk about anything else. So, you have this dichotomy where it's either not talked about at all, or it's constantly harped on in obsession to the point where you wonder if the preacher is more interested in the devil than he is in God.

 

[Working Poor]

Of course. I don't mean to cause despair. My main trouble with modern Christianity is the implicit denial of the reality of witchcraft. Even in churches where it is nominally acknowledged to exist, it's still "hush, hush". What's the issue? Are you afraid to mention the devil? You shouldn't be. Or do you believe that witchcraft is the stuff of fairy tales, as the atheists do? And it seems the few people who do talk about it, won't talk about anything else. So, you have this dichotomy where it's either not talked about at all, or it's constantly harped on in obsession to the point where you wonder if the preacher is more interested in the devil than he is in God.

It is hard to find the middle road in this. For me anyway. I know people who are called spiritual warriors some of them are fanatical some are not. I think when we follow the Lord that we are automatically spiritual warriors. Love your enemy is a very powerful spiritual warrior tool. The power is in LOVE. Love is the power. I know evil cannot stand against it. The choices we make will reflect our decision to seek righteousness or to follow evil. Someone seeking righteousness banishes evil and can see it if it crosses their path. I examine my own fruit all the time. I see that God has more to give than I know how to ask for.

Bitterness, envy,hatred cut love out of your life. You can't really love when you hold on to resentments. You can't serve 2 masters. You can't love others unless you love yourself. People who love them selves love God. We all must walk thru the fire to burn away the dross. God gives us all exactly what we ask for. I ask for God's will for me and work to be strong enough and pure enough to keep up with it. Following God is so exciting, so worth every cleansing, so worth walking thru the fire to see the truth. God will fight my battles if I allow Him too. That is something that is truly amazing. God is my security I trust God. I bring up the subject of God as much as possible. I see my purpose is to praise God forever.

I am human. I make mistakes. I am hard headed, and I want to blame something or someone for my BS. God can make even my mistakes and, greatest heartaches and loss workout to my highest good if I give them to Him. I see angels all the time. I am a most fortunate person to walk in the grace of God.

I see that witchcraft works all rituals have power. I prefer to have the power of the Most High God. If I draw nearer to God He will draw near to me that is all that I need.

 

[lilymc]

It is hard to find the middle road in this. For me anyway. I know people who are called spiritual warriors some of them are fanatical some are not. I think when we follow the Lord that we are automatically spiritual warriors. Love your enemy is a very powerful spiritual warrior tool. The power is in LOVE. Love is the power. I know evil cannot stand against it. The choices we make will reflect our decision to seek righteousness or to follow evil. Someone seeking righteousness banishes evil and can see it if it crosses their path. I examine my own fruit all the time. I see that God has more to give than I know how to ask for.

Bitterness, envy,hatred cut love out of your life. You can't really love when you hold on to resentments. You can't serve 2 masters. You can't love others unless you love yourself. People who love them selves love God. We all must walk thru the fire to burn away the dross. God gives us all exactly what we ask for. I ask for God's will for me and work to be strong enough and pure enough to keep up with it. Following God is so exciting, so worth every cleansing, so worth walking thru the fire to see the truth. God will fight my battles if I allow Him too. That is something that is truly amazing. God is my security I trust God. I bring up the subject of God as much as possible. I see my purpose is to praise God forever.

I am human. I make mistakes. I am hard headed, and I want to blame something or someone for my BS. God can make even my mistakes and, greatest heartaches and loss workout to my highest good if I give them to Him. I see angels all the time. I am a most fortunate person to walk in the grace of God.

I see that witchcraft works all rituals have power. I prefer to have the power of the Most High God. If I draw nearer to God He will draw near to me that is all that I need.

Very good points. The term "spiritual war" probably brings to mind negative things for people... But as you said, our tools or 'weapons' are things like love, intercessory prayer, and even songs of praise and worship to God. It may sound hard to believe to some, but those things are more powerful than evil, and evil cannot stand against it.

It may be hard to move in the opposite spirit in this crazy world with so much hate and aggression… I think it goes against our human nature to love our enemies and return evil with good… But it's exactly what God told us to do.

 

[Working Poor]

Very good points. The term "spiritual war" probably brings to mind negative things for people... But as you said, our tools or 'weapons' are things like love, intercessory prayer, and even songs of praise and worship to God. It may sound hard to believe to some, but those things are more powerful than evil, and evil cannot stand against it.

It may be hard to move in the opposite spirit in this crazy world with so much hate and aggression… I think it goes against our human nature to love our enemies and return evil with good… But it's exactly what God told us to do.

Yes Jesus did tell us to love our enemy. I made a bumper sticker for my car that says that very thing the day after 9-11. I have had so much awesome response to it people have came up and knocked on my car window in traffic to tell me thanks for the reminder and how much they needed to read that.

Many times I have asked God to bless the person who is flipping me the bird(my sister did it the last time I saw her) it would be so much easier to go beat her ass than to say God bless her right now. She did it in front of about 10 people who were looking very bewildered at her actions. My brothers want to have her committed I want God to deal with her instead. I already know that there is nothing I can personally do to help her I just don't have the kind of power that would turn someone like her around without God being the one actually doing the work. I have asked God to help me help her so many times and nothing I do really works or helps. I do know that I do not have to let her continue to hurt me

 

[donnay]

2 John
I like this particular chapter of John

2 John - Chapter 1

1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
2 For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.
3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.
5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
12 Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
13 The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen.