Mad Max in NYC. Biker punks swarm Man and child in SUV

[brushfire]

By the looks of the video, based on what I'd seen, there was a substantial "disparity of force". the operator of the SUV had every right to mow down dozens of them - there's a whole mob for pete sakes? How can anyone say to the contrary.

There is one of those goons who is a saint though - albeit perhaps indirectly, and involuntarily. The guy who produced the video...

What I cant understand is why the man stopped the vehicle and allowed them to drag him out of it. He's very lucky they did not kill him... Vehicles can be replaced, but the lives of you and your family cannot. As for "them or us", I think that question has an instinctively obvious answer.

I personally have nothing against bikers, or the right to assembly - but those arguments are simply red herrings in this case. There are 'bikers' who should be thanking that operator for sparing their lives, and taking great risk to do so (the vehicle operator risked the lives of his wife and child as well).

Many, more level headed folks, would have taken out swaths of that mob, and had every right to do so given the circumstances.

 

[sam1952]

I find myself wondering how this all would have looked had there not been a video. Hearing the driver saying some guy just pulled in front of him then put on his brakes, on a motorcycle, causing him to touch the bike sound a little hard to believe. The "bikers" version would be the driver ran into him than ran him over, as he tried to flee his friend gave chase. Then as they tried to subdue him for the police he resisted and started a fight.

The video really tells the tale here. Am curious what caused the "biker" to brake-check him in the first place. Did he merge into the "pack", or commit some driving error? Was he just driving and the "pack" came upon him?

Lesson here is be respectful on the road of all drivers. Things can escalate so fast over the simplest of things, take breath, let it go. I'm sure there are many envolved wishing they chose something different to do. Guy maybe paralyzed, driver, other "bikers" in "pack", guy who posted the video for sure.

Police knew of the "rally" but still had no reasonable response time.

Unless there's more to this story all the "bikers" should all be charged with reckless driving, endangerment, harassment and other charges dependent on involvement.

This may sound strange but the driver may be lucky it escalated to the point it did. It makes him the victim for sure. Had he just been pulled over by police he may have been looked at as a hit and run driver at worst.

 

[Danke]

Celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred represents biker injured before SUV driver attacked in upper Manhattan

 

[sam1952]

Celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred represents biker injured before SUV driver attacked in upper Manhattan

Yep Danke, thanks for this. I think we all knew this was coming. What a cluster F**K this is going to be......

 

[Brian4Liberty]

ok something about this story doesn't add up. why would you wait at a red light with these people chasing you? i would runlights, ram cars, or leave the road and drive where i could to get away including ramming them over and over until i was getting away. sort the details out later.

There would have been no way to push through the traffic jam that he eventually hit. He should have never left the freeway. They were on the phone with the Police the whole time. Maybe the police dispatcher told them to get off the freeway?

It's true. My mother has a Nissan X-Terra with the factory 4WD offroad package, and once about 4 years ago sat 8 hours in one spot when the roads iced and stopped traffic dead because of a surprise ice storm. We still tease her today because she had one of the better factory 4 by 4 off-road packages the market has to offer, was stuck in a genuine emergent situation and she still couldn't bring herself to turn off the road and pick up the (completely clear) alternate route. My roommate in a 1986 Toyota Corolla left an hour after she did, hit the same mess, went half-off the shoulder and drove around to the alternate route and got home 6 hours before she did.

To be fair, today my mother is a lot less compliant with the "white labcoats" than she was 4 years ago.

In California, at any major freeway back-up, they send the Highway Patrol to sit on the shoulder and ticket anyone who leaves the road, even when there is an exit up ahead to take. Probably a big money maker. I've been stuck in the snow for hours with a true 4-wheel drive, because the HP was right there ticketing anyone who tried to make the next exit on the shoulder.

 

[limequat]

Run-over biker in SUV melee has long criminal record

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinio.../run_over_mass_biker_has_long_criminal_record

For those that don't want to click the link:

"Edwin Mieses, 32, never got a driver’s license in the Bay State, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said, but he was frequently nabbed behind the wheel, and even sentenced to jail for driving without a license, court records show. Mieses has a pending case out of Lawrence District Court for driving suspended, subsequent offense, said Carrie Kimball Monihan, spokeswoman for the Essex County District Attorney’s Office. Mieses also has 15 guilty findings for criminal offenses including distribution of cocaine, possession of a firearm without a permit, knowingly receiving stolen property, resisting arrest and several motor vehicle violations, court records show. "

 

[liveandletlive]

the poor guy felt intimidated and feared for his family being around a hoard of thugs. Would things have escalated had he not run over the guy to escape from being surrounded?

who knows. seems to me he should have just stopped and pulled over while letting the biker goons go on their merry way. He felt intimidated and legitimately threatened with his family in the car.

It's a difficult judgement call there. Obviously the way the thugs reacted, they are used to stomping mudholes on people.

 

[Barrex]

the poor guy felt intimidated and feared for his family being around a hoard of thugs. Would things have escalated had he not run over the guy to escape from being surrounded?

who knows. seems to me he should have just stopped and pulled over while letting the biker goons go on their merry way. He felt intimidated and legitimately threatened with his family in the car.

It's a difficult judgement call there. Obviously the way the thugs reacted, they are used to stomping mudholes on people.

?Want him to become slave and remove him self from the road while his masters are passing...

 

[limequat]

the poor guy felt intimidated and feared for his family being around a hoard of thugs. Would things have escalated had he not run over the guy to escape from being surrounded?

who knows. seems to me he should have just stopped and pulled over while letting the biker goons go on their merry way. He felt intimidated and legitimately threatened with his family in the car.

It's a difficult judgement call there. Obviously the way the thugs reacted, they are used to stomping mudholes on people.

You have your wife and your 2y/o in the car. Do you stick around to find out what their intentions are?

 

[angelatc]

What I cant understand is why the man stopped the vehicle and allowed them to drag him out of it. He's very lucky they did not kill him... Vehicles can be replaced, but the lives of you and your family cannot. As for "them or us", I think that question has an instinctively obvious answer.

.

Traffic. He exited the freeway and ran into traffic that was standing still.

 

[amy31416]

Amy =/= Danke. Her ass is bigger.

I think you're confusing ass with brain.

Both my ass and brain are larger than Danke's, he's a pilot though, so his ego is far larger than mine.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Run-over biker in SUV melee has long criminal record

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinio.../run_over_mass_biker_has_long_criminal_record

For those that don't want to click the link:

"Edwin Mieses, 32, never got a driver’s license in the Bay State, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said, but he was frequently nabbed behind the wheel, and even sentenced to jail for driving without a license, court records show. Mieses has a pending case out of Lawrence District Court for driving suspended, subsequent offense, said Carrie Kimball Monihan, spokeswoman for the Essex County District Attorney’s Office. Mieses also has 15 guilty findings for criminal offenses including distribution of cocaine, possession of a firearm without a permit, knowingly receiving stolen property, resisting arrest and several motor vehicle violations, court records show. "

Hmmmm. I can see only thing I would consider a crime in all of that (bolded). And even that one is pretty tame ...

 

[Red Green]

I told you guys there were a bunch of pigs in with the biker pack which is why they got away with all that BS:

http://nypost.com/2013/10/04/undercover-cop-stood-by-as-bikers-beat-dad/

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I told you guys there were a bunch of pigs in with the biker pack which is why they got away with all that BS:

http://nypost.com/2013/10/04/undercover-cop-stood-by-as-bikers-beat-dad/

“It is does not appear that he got involved at the scene,” one law enforcement source said of the undercover.

“He didn’t want to blow his cover,” said a source — though he was not investigating those riders.

The undercover has now lawyered up, the source added.

What bullshit. They stood by, and didn't help. They weren't "undercover" either. They didn't get any evidence, didn't take pictures or video. They didn't even come forward until now. They were part of the gang.

 

[brushfire]

Traffic. He exited the freeway and ran into traffic that was standing still.

Yes, I understood that, but there was still space to the left of the traffic occupied by cycles and to the rear. All those cycles were essentially a "toilet paper" road block that he could have easily penetrated with his SUV That's what I didnt understand...

There's a documentary that talks about contractors in Iraq and how they have to move supplies. Its pretty interesting the tactics they use - it was the first thing that came to mind when I watched the biker vid. Whatever you do, dont stop.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

As I was typing this a report came on the radio saying "a biker injured in a road rage incident... was trying to protect the SUV driver..."

What the hell is the MSM angle on this? Is it because of the ethnicity of many of the bikers? If the driver hadn't been Asian, this would be a huge sh*t-storm right now. Hold on, was the driver a "white-Asian"?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

As I was typing this a report came on the radio saying "a biker injured in a road rage incident... was trying to protect the SUV driver..."

What the hell is the MSM angle on this? Is it because of the ethnicity of many of the bikers? If the driver hadn't been Asian, this would be a huge sh*t-storm right now. Hold on, was the driver a "white-Asian"?

After thinking about this, the answer is obvious. This is a proxy Trayvon case. The MSM is trying to remain consistent with what they did in that case.

 

[specsaregood]

I'm thinking a good number of those bikers were pigs, hence the lack of NYPD attention.

I told you guys there were a bunch of pigs in with the biker pack which is why they got away with all that BS:
http://nypost.com/2013/10/04/undercover-cop-stood-by-as-bikers-beat-dad/

It certainly seems like you called it.

 

[jtstellar]

the fact that camera wielder turned around to see if anyone was following

before he proceeded with the pursuit was pretty much all i needed to see. it's sad display of human trait when member of a mob tries to reassure himself he's still with the mob when the mob decides to do something

 

[gwax23]

Awww, they have a 'Justice for' page up for this kid...

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-For-Jay-Meezee/411664345601619

Some choice comments...

I cannot believe I have mutual friends who liked that page....jesus