Lou Dobbs leaves Ron Paul out of his Economic Leadership poll

Unfortunately the result is not what people want to see.
What people? Those people got caught in race, gender and fear because of the MSM, and the same people have been prohibited from listening to the message of Dr.Paul and others. And the MSM is convicted of this prohibition. So those people actually will never see what they really want to see, because they have never seen the whole story but they have read a story which was ripped by the MSM. So it is your responsibility to teach them and show them the whole picture, exactly as you plan to show them that RP's supporters are the gangsters of the internet.
I am just trying to explain my point, nothing offensive!
 
Contact Lou here:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?9

And tell him who you really feel is QUALIFIED to handle our economic issues!!


Here is what I sent to Lou Dobbs:

me said:
In response to the omission of Ron Paul from your poll about "economic knowledge":

Your strategy of pretending Ron Paul does not exist is despicable. As a journalist, you have a responsibility to the people to tell the truth. Don't fool yourself into thinking you are broadcasting the truth simply because you left some information out rather than blatantly lied. Hiding facts from the people is robbing them of their god-given right called FREE WILL to make decisions for themselves.

The FACT is, Ron Paul is a very relevant subject when it comes to economic issues, and he deserves a fair share of the news coverage. It was the study of economics that got him into politics. He saw Washington making dangerous economic policy in the 1970s, and sees it getting exponentially worse today. As a lawmaker, economic viability is a key factor in how he evaluates ANY issue. He would strongly uphold that principle as Chief Executive. The Constitution is ALWAYS first, but economics are a close second.

When you lead your viewers into thinking the economic debate comes down to Romney, Huckabee, McCain, and Giuliani with NO MENTION of Ron Paul, your reporting goes from simply misleading to fraudulent. If you wish to continue reporting only what you want to instead of the truth, please publically announce that you are not a journalist and your program is not a news program.
 
In response to the omission of Ron Paul from your poll about "economic knowledge":

Your strategy of pretending Ron Paul does not exist is despicable. As a journalist, you have a responsibility to the people to tell the truth. Don't fool yourself into thinking you are broadcasting the truth simply because you left some information out rather than blatantly lied. Hiding facts from the people is robbing them of their god-given right called FREE WILL to make decisions for themselves.

The FACT is, Ron Paul is a very relevant subject when it comes to economic issues, and he deserves a fair share of the news coverage. It was the study of economics that got him into politics. He saw Washington making dangerous economic policy in the 1970s, and sees it getting exponentially worse today. As a lawmaker, economic viability is a key factor in how he evaluates ANY issue. He would strongly uphold that principle as Chief Executive. The Constitution is ALWAYS first, but economics are a close second.

When you lead your viewers into thinking the economic debate comes down to Romney, Huckabee, McCain, and Giuliani with NO MENTION of Ron Paul, your reporting goes from simply misleading to fraudulent. If you wish to continue reporting only what you want to instead of the truth, please publically announce that you are not a journalist and your program is not a news program.
Well said thanks!
 
Even though Dr. Paul isn't a frontrunner I think he would probably still have been included, but Ron Paulites skew the polls.

Running from poll to poll, site to site, messes up the results.. they want to get an idea of what the general population thinks, not just Ron Paul supporters. So by leaving Ron Paul off the poll they get a more accurate device.

The poll is far more skewed now as a direct result of his manipulations. By not giving us a slot that anyone can easily subtract in their mind, all the other candidates are skewed in an unresolvable way. Example, Edwards. And don't think it only affects Edwards results, I voted for some one else before seeing this thread.
 
My comment to him (entirely true - before this poll and another thread I read tonight, I had a lot of respect for Lou Dobbs and thought he was an exception in the establishment media):

Mr. Dobbs,
I noticed you recently put up a poll asking the question, "Which of the following candidates do you believe has the economic knowledge and leadership to guide the United States for the next four years?"
However, you left out the only candidate with an even remotely sensible economic plan: Ron Paul.

His plan is to:
- Drastically reduce government spending so we can reduce taxes or even eliminate the IRS (returning money to the private sector).
- Stop all of the money-printing the Federal Reserve does (which steals from every American).
- End corporate welfare and entitlements.
- Get rid of managed trade agreements.
- Let the market work.

No other Presidential candidate has a plan that could be considered anywhere near comprehensive; in fact, every other candidate's plan is practically the same disastrous plan we've had all along:
- Continue outrageous federal spending levels that we cannot afford and that put a terrible burden on future generations.
- Increase, decrease, or do little to change taxes (it doesn't really matter, given the spending levels - all choices here are irresponsible).
- Continue allowing the Federal Reserve to debase the currency.
- Continue the corporate welfare and favoritism that hampers competition and thereby artificially diminishes the size of the economy (which, long story short, results in a negative feedback cycle that decreases both wages and GDP, not to mention innovation). The only real difference in any of the other candidates is which special interests they would have the government subsidize. (The ones that bought them out, of course.)
- Continue participating in managed trade agreements, which pretend to enable "free trade" but actually do nothing but create a "giant sucking sound."

Ron Paul has spent most of his life studying economics, and he has written several books on the subject. Compared to him, all of the other candidates have the veritable understanding and foresight of a kindergartner. This is very apparent in the Republican debates: While Ron Paul is lecturing on the runaway inflation the Federal Reserve is causing by printing money to finance our debt, Fred Thompson is standing there trying to figure out what "inflation" even means. It is dishonest and disgraceful to leave any serious Presidential candidate out from such a poll, but leaving out the only good choice is simply asinine.

Mr. Dobbs, before today I had a great deal of respect for you as a serious news anchor and one of the very few who ever discuss important, relevant issues like immigration, outsourcing, globalization, or budget deficits. By omitting the only sensible choice for President from your poll, you have shown to me that your apparent worries about these issues are merely a front. If you cannot treat fairly the only candidate who even addresses any of your main talking points, you are clearly no better than any other talking head in the national media. I feel utterly betrayed by your now-apparent bias towards the establishment, and I'm upset that I ever allowed myself to be fooled into thinking you were any different.

Sincerely,
DARTH VADER (j/k on that one - I used my real name :p)
 
Voted for Edwards. He is winning with 41%.

Btw, fmontez is a real live troll. Pay no attention to him/her/it.
 
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Please don't call fmontez a troll...he has way, wayyyyyyyyy too much faith in the moral integrity of the establishment, his comments are often annoyingly naive, and he definitely leans much closer to the neocons than most here (he's here mainly for Paul's economic platform), but from what I've seen, he really is a genuine Ron Paul supporter.
 
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Please don't call fmontez a troll...he has way, wayyyyyyyyy too much faith in the moral integrity of the establishment, his comments are often annoyingly naive, and he definitely leans much closer to the neocons than most here (he's here mainly for Paul's economic platform), but from what I've seen, he really is a genuine Ron Paul supporter.

Thanks for that. Ive been here a good while and know a troll when I see one. Nice upside down stars (a la Hillary's flag) on fmontez's GOP elephant.
 
Well, look at it this way: What does calling him a troll do for anyone? If he is a troll, it won't get rid of him (unless you tried to get him banned, and the burden of proof is probably pretty high for that anyway). If he isn't a troll, it might just alienate him and lose Ron Paul a supporter.
 
You are an idiot... because Ron Paul supporters do not represent the general population online. We are the majority online, but not offline. Understand? Probably not.

Putting Ron Paul into the poll would skew the results.. which is sad because it is also free press that is lost... not everything done is to hurt or ignore Dr. Paul. So relax and take a chill pill.

STOP TROLLING
 
Please don't call fmontez a troll...he has way, wayyyyyyyyy too much faith in the moral integrity of the establishment, his comments are often annoyingly naive, and he definitely leans much closer to the neocons than most here (he's here mainly for Paul's economic platform), but from what I've seen, he really is a genuine Ron Paul supporter.

Nonsense, I got the same kind of BS private message from him calling me an idiot. So either he's here just to troll or he is a total fucking moron and doesn't realize he's doing much more harm than good.

Oh, and just like you, he just created his account in January. Nice.
 
This MSM bullshit is sickening.

What the hell would they do if he won every state from here on out?

Talk about the weather?
 
Nonsense, I got the same kind of BS private message from him calling me an idiot. So either he's here just to troll or he is a total fucking moron and doesn't realize he's doing much more harm than good.

Oh, and just like you, he just created his account in January. Nice.

Oh, come on. I registered this month. So what? What are you trying to insinuate here? Are new supporters somehow unwelcome? This isn't some elite little country club, and your seniority and post count do not give you a license to act superior to everyone else. We need as many supporters as we can get, and I'm trying to caution others not to be too quick to accuse people of trolling and alienate them. Maybe you could learn something new from new members about the way outsiders think when they see people calling each other trolls left, right, and center. Hint: It turns them off and gives them the impression that this forum is full of self-important and paranoid children. That's not the image we want to exude; we want anyone who visits to recognize that we are the most intelligent, most informed, and most spirited support base that any Presidential candidate has ever had. We need them to see that our worldview is sound and consistent, and we will not do that by bickering like twelve-year-olds.

You're right, I just started closely following Ron Paul the past couple of months, and I just registered for the forum this month. In fact, I didn't even know this forum existed until after Iowa - some troll there (a real one that left no room for doubt) pointed out these forums to laugh at our reaction to garnering "only" 10%, and it was the first time I had heard of this place. That said, I've been interested in Paul ever since some blogger mentioned his monetary policy 9 months ago...it just took me a lot of deep thought and some time to fully understand and agree with all of Paul's positions and their implications, particularly unrestricted free market economics (because of my mistrust of our current corrupt, corporatist system, I was previously pretty liberal there, for regulations of all sorts, etc.).

Bottom line: Don't judge or belittle people, especially for something so petty as having a smaller e-penis than yourself. It turns off new members, and new members are exactly the kind we need.
 
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Oh, come on. I registered this month. So what? What are you trying to insinuate here?

I'm not insinuating anything. I'm SAYING that the guy who is sending private messages to people calling them idiots registered at the same time as you, and you're defending him. Looks a bit suspicious.

Are new supporters somehow unwelcome?

Not at all, but if someone is going to post 500 times in 23 days, and most of them be flaming posts about how everyone but him is an idiot, they're likely going to get called out on it. I'm not the only one saying it.

This isn't some elite little country club, and your seniority and post count do not give you a license to act superior to everyone else.

Yes, and your lack of post count does not give you a license to act superior to everyone else.

I'm trying to caution others not to be too quick to accuse people of trolling and alienate them.

Who do you think is turning off people more, the guy running around calling people idiots in every other thread, or the people who are rightfully calling him a troll? If he's not a troll, he should consider adjusting his behavior a bit.

Bottom line: Don't judge or belittle people, especially for something so petty as having a smaller e-penis than yourself. It turns off new members, and new members are exactly the kind we need.

Hey, e-penis, that is cute. What counter strike server did you just fall out of? Or let me guess...World of Warcraft?
 
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Now that we've entirely derailed this whole thread with useless bickering...

I'm not insinuating anything. I'm SAYING that the guy who is sending private messages to people calling them idiots registered at the same time as you, and you're defending him. Looks a bit suspicious.

Every time someone expresses a dissenting opinion on this board, someone else derails the thread by calling them a troll, an infiltrator, or a shill. The word "troll" is thrown about so casually that it has lost almost all of its impact or relevance. As a newer member, I have a different perspective on this from you. I'm trying to explain that to anyone unaccustomed to this board, it looks like a cesspool of infighting where dissent is viewed as disloyalty and cracked down upon by a hive mind (like Rudy Giuliani's vision of America). I politely tried to remind people to give others the benefit of the doubt, and then you proceeded to attack me for it. Read your quote above again, and try to understand the contradiction: In your first sentence, you claim you weren't "insinuating" anything, but then you continue to explain how it's "suspicious" that I was defending someone. That's insinuation. So, first I politely ask people to give others the benefit of the doubt instead of accusing them of being trolls, infiltrators, shills, or what have you. Then, you insinuate that I may be a mere shill for fmontez. Is the irony of this completely lost on you?

Look at where calling fmontez a troll has led this thread. It was a totally unnecessary instance of name-calling and loyalty-questioning. It's fine to think someone is an idiot and question the intelligence of their view, because such things can be debated. It's something quite different to question something a person's motives or loyalty, because it cannot be intelligently debated, it almost always turns ugly, and it creates a negative atmosphere of mistrust. Unless someone is very obviously trying to heckle supporters (common on digg, less common here), nobody has the moral authority to question their intentions.
 
lou dobbs actually considering running for pres

There is a website trying to gain support for Lou to run for Pres. They have about 2000 supporters and about $500,000 commited dollars raised.

When I get to my office I will have to post a link to that page.
 
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