Lost/Confused Rand Paul Supporter Considering Supporting Bernie Sanders...

[CaptainAmerica]

Bernie says he is against banks, he only says that because he is pro banks, he poisoned Ron Paul's audit the fed bill and then told people to eat his lies. He tricks you because no one would expect a weak old man who the media portrays as the bastion of honesty give them poison.

Cruz didn't show up to vote on Rand's, Trump or Rubio aren't against the Fed at all.

of course not, Cruz's biggest contributor financially is Goldman Sachs
.Cruz is a piece of shit

 

[Origanalist]

of course not, Cruz's biggest contributor financially is Goldman Sachs
.Cruz is a piece of shit

Goldman Sachs=Federal Reserve

 

[VIDEODROME]

Bernie says he is against banks, he only says that because he is pro banks, he poisoned Ron Paul's audit the fed bill and then told people to eat his lies. He tricks you because no one would expect a weak old man who the media portrays as the bastion of honesty give them poison.

We can only speculate on this. Maybe he thought the watered down bill had a better chance of passing.

 

[nikcers]

We can only speculate on this. Maybe he thought the watered down bill had a better chance of passing.

Well maybe he wanted it audited so badly because he wants to propose so much spending that you would need 3 more federal reserves to print it all.

 

[LibertyRevolution]

My state is an open primary, so I am voting for Bernie Sanders as a vote against Hillary, as none of the republican clowns are worth even casting a vote for.

I will be voting libertarian on everything else most likely.

 

[nikcers]

Foreign policy is the absolute worst part of a Sanders election. Trade and military are the key to our economic power of the 21st century. We have power over our "allies" because of money. As soon as we don't have money the whole world is not going to like us anymore, and as soon as Sanders takes control over the money is when we stop being the world economic power we are.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Different grades of shit. It's still shit.

And that's fine. Abstaining makes sense.

But like I said, "if one chooses to vote amongst the remaining candidates", Sanders is most antithetical to Paul, ideologically.

Choosing to vote for anyone from among the remaining candidates is like choosing between "being shot and then hung to death while bleeding" or "being hung and then shot to death while strangling." When it comes right down to it, it really doesn't matter, ideological antithesis notwithstanding ...

 

[RJ Liberty]

Foreign policy is the absolute worst part of a Sanders election. Trade and military are the key to our economic power of the 21st century.

We are already by far the largest military power in the world, yet we had a huge economic downturn, maybe one of the largest ever, despite being the world's only superpower. The idea that building a huge, bloated military would keep our economy going didn't work. We the taxpayers are paying for thousands of tanks that will never be used. How much more military spending do we need to do to shore up our economy? And where will we store 1,000,000 surplus tanks?

 

[nikcers]

We are already by far the largest military power in the world, yet we had a huge economic downturn, maybe one of the largest ever, despite being the world's only superpower. The idea that building a huge, bloated military would keep our economy going didn't work. We the taxpayers are paying for thousands of tanks that will never be used. How much more military spending do we need to do to shore up our economy? And where will we store 1,000,000 surplus tanks?

America produces nothing!! Whats made in America besides money? We sell guns and oil but those are heavily subsidized. Do you think the world lets us print our own money because they like us? Do you think they use our money in the world marketplace because they like us? We build a military as a nation for the same reason people own guns, so that when the ugly side of humanity comes knocking they don't knock twice. I'm happy to live in a country where I can own a gun and I feel safe with the most powerful miilitary in the world. I just wish we would pay for it. The problem with Sanders is he believes in a failed economic policy that gives the government more control over us, and what we can buy. He will destroy the economic power that we are, if Obama doesn't destroy it first. When our government takes control over the all of the money is when we stop being the world economic power we are.

 

[jmdrake]

LOL. ^This. Hey OP, if you want to support Bernie Sanders go for it dude! I can't bring myself to do that. My kinda/sorta girlfriend would love that. But I listened to him debate Hillary a little last night and both of the made me nauseous.

Anyway, I remember in 2008 Ron Paul had a joint press conference that included Chuck Baldwin from the right and Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader on the right. The libertarian candidate Bob Barr was invited but he decided to be a douche and didn't show. The point of that conference was to tell Ron Paul supporters "Now that I'm out of the race, I at least find these three people principled." Ultimately Paul endorsed Chuck Baldwin and that's who I voted for. As for the people who will jump your case and say "If you support Bernie Sanders you don't understand liberteeeeee." Well...they can go to hell. Seriously. The good thing about Ron Paul is that he attacked folks that were not in lock step with everything he said or did. He had a broad base coalition of people outside the GOP. Rand tacked right on foreign policy with the Tom Cotton latter and voting for sanctions for Iran and on saying "Washington quit bullying BP" in order to gain more teocon votes but ultimately the teocons abandoned him for Trump and Cruz and all of a sudden that libertarian base that was taken for granted wasn't there. Towards the end Rand could have gotten a significant bump just from 9/11 truthers his numbers were so low. I understand why Rand tried the strategy he did. I'm not mad at him for doing it. It was a good lesson for us all. Question is, will anybody listen?

 

[jmdrake]

To the OP you are not alone, in that RPF poll at least 16 people have switched to Bernie, I actually want to see TRUMP VS SANDERS in the general now that Rand is out.
Socialism VS Captilism round one, let the best man win.

Donald Trump is not a capitalist. He's a fascist. He no more believes in private property rights than does Bernie Sanders. Trump thinks it's great that the government can now take your private property and give it to another private citizen just because that will increase the tax base.

 

[jmdrake]

The simplest answer is : bernie sanders edited a bill that Ron Paul wrote to audit the fed a few years ago...bernie basically gutted the bill and prevented an audit.

Didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

 

[nikcers]

Well I guess its only dishonest to call Bernie Sanders opposite, that would be more like Trump. If I were to split hairs like I do on key issues Rand thinks that no one should control the cost of money, Bernie sanders thinks that the government should because the banks are doing a bad job of it on purpose to increase the income inequality gap. Bernie Sanders would probably be similar on foreign policy but Rand would pay for defense spending without increasing taxes, and specifically with Rand he would only go to war if congress voted for it, Rand believes in checks and balances within government. Bernie Sanders thinks the government can fix everything.

 

[jmdrake]

Foreign policy is the absolute worst part of a Sanders election. Trade and military are the key to our economic power of the 21st century. We have power over our "allies" because of money. As soon as we don't have money the whole world is not going to like us anymore, and as soon as Sanders takes control over the money is when we stop being the world economic power we are.

I'm not sure what plane of existence you are living in, but in this plane of existence the United States stopped being a world economic power some time ago.

 

[jmdrake]

Trump needs to drop out, so his wife can run.

That's his wife? She'd make one heck of a first lady! Yowza!

 

[mrsat_98]

Hell. just vote for him. He couldn't be any worse than what the GOP is offering.

Noooo vote Hillary, because you must defecate in it before you pull the handle.

 

[nikcers]

I'm not sure what plane of existence you are living in, but in this plane of existence the United States stopped being a world economic power some time ago.

I live in a plane of existence where I can take a stack of pieces of paper that are essentially IOU's (THAT AREN'T EVENT WORTH GOLD) with pictures of dead Americans on it and pretty much go anywhere in the fucking world and buy anything the fuck i want if i had enough of it.

 

[Vehillill]

The fundamental problem I have with Bernie Sanders is that he will grow the power of the Federal Government than it's already massive size.

Look at it this way, If Sanders wins by chance and he just so happens to be a really great guy. And his policies by some chance end up working after all. There's still the remaining question of what happens after Sanders?

What I'm getting at it is, Sanders will expand the power of government like never before, with all of that power you cannot possibly guarantee that the next person coming into power will not be a Tyrant. You can't guarantee it.

Just look at history, it happens again and again with the kingdoms and empires of old. Great and wise leaders help establish what they think will be a great power to last and prosper, only on their deathbed do they see their next in line destroy all that they had built.

America is not impervious to this happening. Just look at the corruption we have now.

 

[devil21]

I don't support socialist Sanders but I'm pretty sure he's been selected to be the next President. Only a single 4 year term, of course.

 

[RJB]

My main issue is, will he give me a free pony?


There is a candidate who will.