Lost/Confused Rand Paul Supporter Considering Supporting Bernie Sanders...

[nikcers]

To the OP you are not alone, in that RPF poll at least 16 people have switched to Bernie, I actually want to see TRUMP VS SANDERS in the general now that Rand is out.
Socialism VS Captilism round one, let the best man win.

universal healthcare authoritarianism versus universal healthcare authoritarianism

 

[otherone]

Age has not been kind to Hillary.

More indifferent than unkind.

 

[Origanalist]

If one chooses to vote amongst the remaining candidates, it does make a difference. Bernie Sanders is the antithesis to Ron Paul and the libertarian philosophy. Sanders empowers the state, whereas Ron Paul wishes to empower individuals.

Even on foreign policy, Sanders is a fail. In tonight's segment Sanders basically said this:
"...we can't just take the troops out of Afghanistan, blah, blah, blah we will destroy Isis! blah, blah, blah."

You can get that from all the remining candidates. But, with respect to your economic liberty, Sanders goes much further than any candidate and is by far the most dangerous candidate and represents something worse than the unacceptable status quo.

Different grades of shit. It's still shit.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Age has not been kind to Hillary. Hopefully she doesn't win.

I don't want our first female President to be ugly. This is America. We are better than that.

Which supermodel should I write-in in November?

 

[TheTexan]

Which supermodel should I write-in in November?

Trump's wife would work.

 

[nikcers]

Trump's wife would work.

I'm sure that since she is Trumps wife she is capable of being a successful real estate businessman by proxy like Hillary right?

 

[Origanalist]

Trump's wife would work.

Trump needs to drop out, so his wife can run.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Trump's wife would work.

No, I mean an attractive one.

 

[nikcers]

Bernie Sanders is going to lose NH and his support is going to disappear, he is going to be back to his pre 2015 poll numbers

 

[69360]

Bernie wants to steal your money, but probably will not get us all killed. If you are ok with that then vote for him. At least he is honest about it. I don't agree with him but respect him. I think he genuinely wants to do good unlike most other potus candidates who want power. If it ends up with Trump and Sanders, I would vote for Sanders.

 

[69360]

Bernie Sanders is going to lose NH and his support is going to disappear, he is going to be back to his pre 2015 poll numbers

He's 30 points up in NH with days to go. Not a chance he will lose.

 

[presence]

..i have grown sick to death of listening to republican and democrat monetary ignoramuses argue 'politics'..

...especially the stinking republicans because these goddamned fools ignorantly define and tend to claim they support 'free markets'...

do you hold a crypto position? have you ever bought or sold anything in bitcoin? you should try it... its very liberating

 

[nikcers]

He's 30 points up in NH with days to go. Not a chance he will lose.

The media says that she won Iowa, the media says that she won the debate. The polls don't matter, its the interpretation of the MSM and the money that matters. Take this from a Ron/Rand supporter, Bernie Sanders was always establishment he was planted there to get progressives to vote in 2016. Hillary saying that she is progressive is like Jeb saying he has libertarian blood.

 

[James Otis Jr.]

Different grades of shit. It's still shit.

And that's fine. Abstaining makes sense.

But like I said, "if one chooses to vote amongst the remaining candidates", Sanders is most antithetical to Paul, ideologically.

 

[sparebulb]

Larry Nichols claims that Hitlery rejects basic hygiene.

The inside of that funky striped circus tent probably smelled like the bottom of the monkey cage.

 

[Origanalist]

Which supermodel should I write-in in November?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Hello,

I am a long time lurker on this forum, which has served as a very valuable resource into knowledge of the campaign and liberty movement in general. Now that Rand has suspended his campaign, I took a second look over the remaining candidates and their stances on the issues that are the most significant to myself. Ultimately, I would love to push for Gary Johnson, but with our experience with Ron Paul on the libertarian ticket, I know the chances are extremely slim that he will gain traction, especially with the importance on this election and the state of our country. I feel my efforts would be better served with a candidate that has a serious chance to get into office.

With my research I have found that none of the Republican hopefuls on the ballet will produce any change. Out of the top three candidates from Iowa: Ted Cruz is bought up by major institutions like Goldman Sachs and has little respect among congress or the senate. Trump talks big game, but ultimately has no experience in the role of POTUS and provides little details into how he will 'make America great again'. Rubio is the same as Cruz with his relationship with special interest and has admitted his plans of expanding our foreign policy. Like many in this community, I am seeking a candidate that is for limiting our role abroad, improving our civil liberties/privacy, cracking down on the corrupt banking system/wall street, auditing the fed, standing up for the constitution, limiting gun control toward closing obvious loop holes, ending the drug war as well as someone who has a consistent voting record. Although I see the Republican candidates trying to address these issues, it is hard to trust what they say because I feel they are empty promises to gain independent & libertarian votes.

The one candidate that addresses a majority of these issues, has a passionate grass roots effort similar to Ron Paul's previous presidential bids and has been incredibly consistent for decades is Bernie Sanders. However, when I read through the threads and comments on this forum, there is a very deep hatred for the Bernie. I understand the where the concerns come from with him 'limiting' capitalism as a result of implementing some of his ideas and the possibility of him increasing the governments role. But after deep consideration, I am not sure that his presidency would do this more then what any of the Republican candidates would.

Just to mention a few high points of Bernie Sanders views:

-He is against the Patriot Act. "We will not destroy ISIS by undermining the Constitution and our religious freedoms"

-He is for revamping our justice system. "We're spending $80 billion locking people up - disproportionately Latino and African Americans. We need, very, clearly major reform in a broken criminal justice system from top to bottom." "We cannot fix our criminal justice system if corporations are allowed to profit from mass incarceration."

-He is for ending the NSA phone surveillance program. "virtually every telephone call in this country ends up in a file at the NSA, that is unacceptable to me."

-He is against the TPP (Trans Pacific Trade Agreement). "The TPP is a disastrous trade agreement designed to protect the interests of the largest multi-national corporations at the expense of workers, consumers, the environment and the foundations of American democracy."

-He is against our current foreign policy strategies. "The tests of a great and powerful nation is not how many wars it can engage in, but how it can resolve international conflicts in a peaceful matter. I will move away from a policy of unilateral military action and regime change, and toward a policy of emphasizing diplomacy, and ensuring to go to war is a last resort." "With the third largest military budget in the world and an army far larger than ISIS, the Saudi government must accept its full responsibility for stability in their own region of the world."

-He voted against the war in Iraq.....3 times. "Yes, we could get rid of Iraq's Saddam Hussein, but that destabilized the entire region."

-He has mentioned he is "not a great fan" of Isreali Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

Am I missing something here? Or is this a fear of voting for a democrat? It seems like these talking points fall very similarly in line with Rand Paul and the opposite of many Republican hopefuls. We all know that both parties, Republicans and Democrats are the same party so this is not an issue of picking the lesser of 2 evils, it is simply lining up all the candidates, their views and how they line up with Rand Paul and the liberty movement as a whole.

If someone can please fill me in on what I am missing and your thoughts on Bernie Sanders VS any other remaining Republican candidate I would greatly appreciate it...

The simplest answer is : bernie sanders edited a bill that Ron Paul wrote to audit the fed a few years ago...bernie basically gutted the bill and prevented an audit.

 

[Origanalist]

And that's fine. Abstaining makes sense.

But like I said, "if one chooses to vote amongst the remaining candidates", Sanders is most antithetical to Paul, ideologically.

Sorry, I just don't see it. Trump is a yuge fan of yuge government, Cruz is a Goldman Sachs guy and Rubio is just for another type of big government than Sanders.

 

[Origanalist]

The simplest answer is : bernie sanders edited a bill that Ron Paul wrote to audit the fed a few years ago...bernie basically gutted the bill and prevented an audit.

Cruz didn't show up to vote on Rand's, Trump or Rubio aren't against the Fed at all.

 

[nikcers]

The simplest answer is : bernie sanders edited a bill that Ron Paul wrote to audit the fed a few years ago...bernie basically gutted the bill and prevented an audit.

Bernie says he is against banks, he only says that because he is pro banks, he poisoned Ron Paul's audit the fed bill and then told people to eat his lies. He tricks you because no one would expect a weak old man who the media portrays as the bastion of honesty give them poison.