Lost/Confused Rand Paul Supporter Considering Supporting Bernie Sanders...

[alucard13mm]

Amen to that! plus with a degree that is a reasonable amount that can be paid off.. Free college would screw up the value of getting a degree. Like inflating the dollar, its the same principle

I agree. The more people with degrees, the more competition for jobs haha. Dumbass kids lol. They dont realize that a degree is toilet paper now. You have to go to grad school (now thats a killer with tuition).

For whatever reason sanders win... god it would suck ass if people with gender studies and african studies get free college.

 

[phillies]

OP from all of your responses, it seems like you really want to support Sanders and are merely looking to get others to follow suit so you're not alone in this.

Do it if you want but don't expect a line of liberty movementarians to get behind you. Its your vote, spend it how you want.

The purpose of this post wasn't to convince anybody to follow suit. I'm sorry if it came off that way. I just never really looked into Bernie Sanders until yesterday and saw some very similar findings that fell in line with Rand Paul's talking points. I was interested in getting some opinions on why he wasn't liked in this community and I got my answers.. Thanks for the input everyone.

 

[twomp]

Reread it again...slowly... I was referring to DOMESTIC GOALS Obama made...and I never said Obama kept us from going to war

Why don't you take your own advice. Obviously to slow to read what you wrote? Here I will do you a favor and quote you again. I will even bold it for you. Try to keep up okay? Pay attention to the bold part.

I completely agree with you about free markets.. I guess what I am the most concerned about this election is one of these war mongering republican candidates that are left, getting into office and bringing us back into an Iraq situation. I think at this point I am just putting my chips on the fact that Bernie Sanders will fall into the same situation Obama fell into and not be able to accomplish a lot of his domestic goals but at the same time keep us from going into wars!

Does that make sense to you? Probably not because you are about as sharp as a ball. "but at the same time keep us from going into wars!" Who has kept us from going into wars again? I'll say it again. Idiot.

 

[presence]

-He is against the Patriot Act. "We will not destroy ISIS by undermining the Constitution and our religious freedoms"

-He is for revamping our justice system. "We're spending $80 billion locking people up - disproportionately Latino and African Americans. We need, very, clearly major reform in a broken criminal justice system from top to bottom." "We cannot fix our criminal justice system if corporations are allowed to profit from mass incarceration."

-He is for ending the NSA phone surveillance program. "virtually every telephone call in this country ends up in a file at the NSA, that is unacceptable to me."

-He is against the TPP (Trans Pacific Trade Agreement). "The TPP is a disastrous trade agreement designed to protect the interests of the largest multi-national corporations at the expense of workers, consumers, the environment and the foundations of American democracy."

-He is against our current foreign policy strategies. "The tests of a great and powerful nation is not how many wars it can engage in, but how it can resolve international conflicts in a peaceful matter. I will move away from a policy of unilateral military action and regime change, and toward a policy of emphasizing diplomacy, and ensuring to go to war is a last resort." "With the third largest military budget in the world and an army far larger than ISIS, the Saudi government must accept its full responsibility for stability in their own region of the world."

-He voted against the war in Iraq.....3 times. "Yes, we could get rid of Iraq's Saddam Hussein, but that destabilized the entire region."

I definitely give you that you can't find another potus candidate with better records on those issues from a liberty perspective.

Consider his effects on the economy though:

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Colum...rs-18-Trillion-Price-Tag-If-Elected-President
https://mises.org/library/economics-bernie-sanders
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/heres-why-bernie-sanders-is-wrong-about-everything/
http://louderwithcrowder.com/bernie-sanders-wants-to-tax-americans-at-90-his-reasoning-is-priceless/
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/a-bernie-sanders-presidency-is-all-about-socialism/

 

[VIDEODROME]

Everything old becomes new again. OP apparently a member of the Kucinich wing of the Ron Paul base.

I can relate to be honest. Before Ron Paul, I supported and voted for Ralph Nader.

Last time around, I seriously considered Rocky Anderson.


Also, I'm considering a vote for Bernie in the Primary mostly because it's a vote against Hillary who I think is much worse. Then I'll reserve the option to vote 3rd party or whatever in the General if I just can't stand who the GoP nominee is. I don't think I could vote for Cruz and Trump seems like he is should be disqualified on ground of mental incompetence.

 

[nikcers]

To anyone considering voting for Sanders know this, he is a sock puppet for the progressive wing of he democrat party because Hillary was doing bad with progressives. He is there for Hillary to beat to prove her elect-ability in a general election.

 

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

Got push polled by Bernie today. The talker on the other end read some statement about how Bernie opposes Wall Street banks and then asked if I would be more or less likely to vote for him or no change.

After a pregnant pause (for effect) I asked if he supports borrowing money for all his new spending.
From who?
Then I mentioned that he had a chance to stick it to Wall Street by supporting Audit the FED years ago, but he didn't.
I said that after hearing her statement, I am more likely to view Bernie as either a hypocrite or a moron.

"No change, then?"
"Yeah, sure. Whynot."

 

[Miss Annie]

Socialists gonna communist. Communism....... now there's a liberty friendly idea.

 

[The Gold Standard]

I know you want to believe everything your new hero is telling you, but think about it logically:

If you think he is anti-war, why did he support Clinton's wars? Why didn't he speak out against Obama's wars? It's only the Republican wars he opposes.

If you think he is anti-Wall Street, who do you think is going to make billions financing trillions of dollars in new debt? And those bankers make a lot of money on war too, and guess what, Bernie needs them a lot more than they need him if he wants to explode the size of the welfare state. So when Mr. Anti-War is invading a new country somewhere, at least you know why.

If you think he gives a fuck about the Constitution, then how do you justify banning semi-automatic weapons? Or Medicare for all? Or "free" college for all? Where is any of that authorized in the Constitution? One of those is outright forbidden in the Constitution.

If you are looking for someone less evil than the others, you won't find it. Either vote third party or don't vote at all. If you just want to vote for a winner, then I don't give a fuck what you do.

 

[ProBlue33]

To the OP you are not alone, in that RPF poll at least 16 people have switched to Bernie, I actually want to see TRUMP VS SANDERS in the general now that Rand is out.
Socialism VS Captilism round one, let the best man win.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth, Ludwig von Mises

 

[Schifference]

I definitely give you that you can't find another potus candidate with better records on those issues from a liberty perspective.

Consider his effects on the economy though:

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Colum...rs-18-Trillion-Price-Tag-If-Elected-President
https://mises.org/library/economics-bernie-sanders
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/heres-why-bernie-sanders-is-wrong-about-everything/
http://louderwithcrowder.com/bernie-sanders-wants-to-tax-americans-at-90-his-reasoning-is-priceless/
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/a-bernie-sanders-presidency-is-all-about-socialism/

Bernie seeks Rand as VP for equanimity.

 

[presence]

To the OP you are not alone, in that RPF poll at least 16 people have switched to Bernie, I actually want to see TRUMP VS SANDERS in the general now that Rand is out.


Socialism VS Captilism round one, let the best man win.

I personally have no issue with socialism or capitalism as long as the base of either is rooted in voluntarism.

In a free market society, the only difference between socialism or capitalism would be whether groups arose as egalitarian syndicates or hierarchies. Neither of which I find opposition to as an affront to liberty.

Libertarian does imply free market but need not imply capitalism. What libertarian should be opposed to is state-socialism (forced redistribution), state-capitalism (government work and contracts), and state regulated fiat.

There is nothing more or less libertarian about a voluntary syndicate of like minded stakeholders operating within a free market, than a self interested capitalist with underlings operating in a free market. Libertarian should be concerned with the free market not the groupings, social or capital, self arising within it.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

To the OP you are not alone, in that RPF poll at least 16 people have switched to Bernie, I actually want to see TRUMP VS SANDERS in the general now that Rand is out.
Socialism VS Captilism round one, let the best man win.

Lenin vs. Mussolini. Choose the lesser of two evils.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

..i have grown sick to death of listening to republican and democrat monetary ignoramuses argue 'politics'..

...especially the stinking republicans because these goddamned fools ignorantly define and tend to claim they support 'free markets'...

(hint for goddamned republican 'free market' fools: ...the most ubiquitous commodity in this stinking market place to which you are witness is 'the dollar'...virtually one half of every one of your 'free market' transactions consists of 'dollars'...and there is nothing 'free market', honest, decent, etc. about the origin and nature of these 'dollars,' monetary ignoramuses..[and there won't be any 'free markets' under any dumbass ludwig gold bug monetary order either!!] SHADDUP, REPUBLICRATS!)

...that felt good...thank-you, rpf!

 

[Origanalist]

 

[TheTexan]

Age has not been kind to Hillary. Hopefully she doesn't win.

I don't want our first female President to be ugly. This is America. We are better than that.

 

[Origanalist]

Age has not been kind to Hillary. Hopefully she doesn't win.

I don't want our first female President to be ugly. This is America. We are better than that.

Youth wasn't very kind to her either.

 

[Origanalist]

 

[James Otis Jr.]

If one chooses to vote amongst the remaining candidates, it does make a difference. Bernie Sanders is the antithesis to Ron Paul and the libertarian philosophy. Sanders empowers the state, whereas Ron Paul wishes to empower individuals.

Even on foreign policy, Sanders is a fail. In tonight's segment Sanders basically said this:
"...we can't just take the troops out of Afghanistan, blah, blah, blah we will destroy Isis! blah, blah, blah."

You can get that from all the remining candidates. But, with respect to your economic liberty, Sanders goes much further than any candidate and is by far the most dangerous candidate and represents something worse than the unacceptable status quo.