*LIVE STREAM* Rand Paul to end Patriot Act - Sunday 4pm EST

[francisco]

Wyden for VP?

Don't get carried away. He's very "progressive" left on economic issues.

 

[twomp]

USA Freedom Act advances 77-17

In a stunning reversal from last week’s drama, the USA Freedom Act was passed by a vote of 77-17. The bill, which passed the House overwhelmingly several weeks ago will now move forward and is likely to receive a final vote on Tuesday.

The bill fell three votes short of the needed supermajority to advance last week but with the clock ticking on controversial provisions of the Patriot Act, supporters of NSA surveillance thought that the proposed reforms were better than letting the program expire entirely

So Rand Paul probably did get his amendments in. Good for him! My apologies for my flare up earlier.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...riot-act-surveillance-reform-usa-freedom-live

 

[jbauer]

Did anyone see this commercial?

That was pretty darn cool.

 

[phill4paul]

Lol.

John McCain may be 78-years-old but he is active on social media.

While criticizing Rand Paul tonight, the Arizona Republican noted “I just saw a tweet from Senator Paul saying take a selfie of yourself while watching Senator Paul on the floor tonight” which McCain saw as another example of what he calls Paul’s self promotion.

When The Guardian followed up to ask if McCain himself would take a selfie, the Arizona Republican responded “I’m not good looking enough to enjoy that.”

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...riot-act-surveillance-reform-usa-freedom-live

 

[tommyrp12]

They are taking calls on c-span now. It will be interesting to hear the reactions.

 

[carlton]

Now I'm confused. Didn't they pass cloture earlier?

Twomp, does this mean you rescind all the crap you talked today, since the patriot act will be dead and no freedom act voting until Tuesday (like you wanted)? I know crow is a tough meat but sometimes you gotta dig in, dinners served

 

[Brian4Liberty]

ETA - looks like RPF's was fixed.

Maybe someone was trying to prevent this?

[Now!] Unofficial #StandWithRand for the #4A mini-money bomb!

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Here's what happened...

As of midnight tonight, the PATRIOT ACT is worm food. Done deal.

The Senate won't pass the re-authorization tonight, and it wouldn't matter anyway, since the House hasn't passed it yet and isn't even in Washington.

The issue today was about the (equally Orwellianly named) Freedom Act (aka PATRIOT Act in drag), and whether it could be passed by midnight tonight (to ensure continuity of tyranny).

The vote that just happened 77-13, which caused so many heart attacks, was merely cloture on the Freedom Act; and it's no surprise that it passed over Rand's objections. The only reason cloture failed before was that McConnel opposed it (because he wanted a clean reauthorization of the PATRIOT Act), but now he's cutting his losses and trying to push through the Freedom Act.

But cloture is only the first step in moving toward an actual vote on the bill; that vote cannot possibly happen tonight.

So, the PATRIOT Act will expire and be replaced with nothing - at least for a little while.

They have the vote to ultimately produce a replacement, but it is unlikely to be the Freedom Act unmodified. A lot of Congressmen supported the Freedom Act only because they thought it was marginally better than a straight PATRIOT Act re-authorization, which at the time was the only alternative. With the PATRIOT Act dead and off the table, some of them will jump ship for a more serious reform (enter Rand's amendments to the Freedom Act).

In other words...

 

[francisco]

They are taking calls on c-span now. It will be interesting to hear the reactions.

So far (about 5 calls in), all are supporting Rand's position

 

[01000110]

Obama voters calling in and voicing support for Rand.

Great job Rand!

 

[JJ2]

What I want to know is: what exactly did Rand do today to force no more votes until Tuesday? I'm confused on that. Was there a voice objection that I missed? Or what exactly did he have to do?

 

[phill4paul]

So far (about 5 calls in), all are supporting Rand's position

Including two Dems. Both regretted voting for Obama and gave Rand props.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

What I want to know is: what exactly did Rand do today to force no more votes until Tuesday? I'm confused on that. Was there a voice objection that I missed? Or what exactly did he have to do?

Cloture passed, final vote can occur after 30 hours.

After cloture has been invoked, the following restrictions apply:

No more than 30 hours of debate may occur.[15]
No Senator may speak for more than one hour.
No amendments may be moved unless they were filed on the day in between the presentation of the petition and the actual cloture vote.
All amendments must be relevant to the debate.
Certain procedural motions are not permissible.[which?]
The presiding officer gains additional powers in controlling debate[which?].
No other matters may be considered until the question upon which cloture was invoked is disposed of.

 

[devil21]

Don't get carried away. He's very "progressive" left on economic issues.

Yeah, he has been good on this issue. Shame he's so hard core for TPP.

 

[afwjam]

Good callers on cspan, we are not alone.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Cloture passed, final vote can occur after 30 hours.

Yes, my understanding of the rules is that that requirement can only be waived by unanimous consent.

Rand didn't consent.

 

[spudea]

What I want to know is: what exactly did Rand do today to force no more votes until Tuesday? I'm confused on that. Was there a voice objection that I missed? Or what exactly did he have to do?

Today McConnell tried to extend 2 other provisions of the Patriot Act in a separate vote. Paul objected. His filibuster last week and objection last week forced McConnell to delay action on the house bill until today, because he did not have 60 votes for cloture last week. Today, McConnell brought a cloture vote that passed which limits debate on the house bill to 30hrs, thus pushing the final passage vote on the house bill to Tuesday. It is up to McConnell if he will allow amendments to be debated for the house bill, but this will further delay the final passage. We expect he will not allow amendments, and without increased pressure on our senators, the house bill will likely pass on Tuesday, then be signed by Obama.

 

[Jan2017]

Including two Dems. Both regretted voting for Obama and gave Rand props.

Rand is gonna win over those Dems that are lukewarm to the Clinton's return to 1600 Pennsylvania,
and many Independents - much more of those than the GOP nominee predecessors
(including Mitt wanting to only be satisfactory to that "51%" of the people, a comment he could never retract)
. . . and especially when McCain is looking like such an arse - still.

 

[specsaregood]

It is up to McConnell if he will allow amendments to be debated for the house bill, but this will further delay the final passage. We expect he will not allow amendments, and without increased pressure on our senators, the house bill will likely pass on Tuesday, then be signed by Obama.

I seem to recall reading that McConnell wants amendments to it. So we might get those.

 

[specsaregood]

so much for the haters saying that Randal's filibuster wasn't a filibuster.