*LIVE STREAM* Rand Paul to end Patriot Act - Sunday 4pm EST
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Will it still be a net win if they manage to amend the Freedom Act so as to require the communication companies to store the data? They only legitimate way they could've gotten any data is if individuals chose providers which stored the data.
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First, I think the press alone makes it a net win, regardless.
But I think the Freedom Act - if amended - is more likely to be strengthened than weakened.
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The terrorists must be quite sad this evening.
Since their stated goal is to make us destroy ourselves by causing us to overreact to them.
They'll be absolutely devastated if Rand gets elected.
Since their stated goal is to make us destroy ourselves by causing us to overreact to them.
They'll be absolutely devastated if Rand gets elected.
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I'm confused. I thought only part of the patriot act was expiring. People here are saying the patriot act without the modifier. So is it the whole thing or just part?
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I wasn't going to be the first to say it.
As thrilled as I am about the death of the Patriot Act and Rand's great work, I also think it almost guarantees a "terrorist attack" in the near future.
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Just a part.
But the most important part.
The PATRIOT Act itself is huge, and most of it is fairly objectionable, uninteresting stuff.
The key parts are what's in play.
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It is a Sunday night. Have to take it with a grain of salt. but it's a darn good start.
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It'll pass it's just a question about amendments.
I watch some news!
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Oh OOOGA BOOGA. On one hand we have people always saying we should be afraid and something bad will happen if we don't give up our freedoms. Then we get people on the otherhand saying we should aways be afraid to have our freedoms because people will do bad things in order to get us to give up our freedoms.
Screw that, I refuse to be afraid from both of your types.
I recall the functionally illiterate progressive idiots (reporters) saying that a lot.
Their argument was that Rand's filibuster occurred during the trade debate. So what? It still postpones the debate of the bill that comes after that. These idiots who somehow get to write and have a big platform can't get this simple point:
If you delay the passage of a bill, you effectively delay passage of the bill that comes after it.
Except these provisions have done nothing to enhance our security. It has been proven that they have been completely irrelevant in pursuing terrorists or preventing attacks. There is no reason to entertain any hypothetical on this. Real terrorists don't give a damn either way.
No fear, just realistic.
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Yes, this will be the next battle. McConnell's amendments (to make it more like the original Patriot Act), and Paul's Amendments (further restrictions on collection data.)
This isn't over yet, but maybe public opinion is now swaying to Paul. McCain made a complete fool of himself, IMHO.
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Here's what happened...
As of midnight tonight, the PATRIOT ACT is worm food. Done deal.
The Senate won't pass the re-authorization tonight, and it wouldn't matter anyway, since the House hasn't passed it yet and isn't even in Washington.
The issue today was about the (equally Orwellianly named) Freedom Act (aka PATRIOT Act in drag), and whether it could be passed by midnight tonight (to ensure continuity of tyranny).
The vote that just happened 77-13, which caused so many heart attacks, was merely cloture on the Freedom Act; and it's no surprise that it passed over Rand's objections. The only reason cloture failed before was that McConnel opposed it (because he wanted a clean reauthorization of the PATRIOT Act), but now he's cutting his losses and trying to push through the Freedom Act.
But cloture is only the first step in moving toward an actual vote on the bill; that vote cannot possibly happen tonight.
So, the PATRIOT Act will expire and be replaced with nothing - at least for a little while.
They have the vote to ultimately produce a replacement, but it is unlikely to be the Freedom Act unmodified. A lot of Congressmen supported the Freedom Act only because they thought it was marginally better than a straight PATRIOT Act re-authorization, which at the time was the only alternative. With the PATRIOT Act dead and off the table, some of them will jump ship for a more serious reform (enter Rand's amendments to the Freedom Act).
In other words...
A night for a cigar and a Belgian Ale . . .for my taste -
why I think it is success is that if this bad reauthorization was to go through for even a day, it would have justed showed that nothing has changed.
Game On Rand !
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