*LIVE STREAM* Rand Paul to end Patriot Act - Sunday 4pm EST

What Rand said is that he would force the Patriot Act to expire unless he could get a majority vote on his amendments. It seems as though he's getting a majority vote on his amendments and is thus allowing the vote to happen tonight.
 
twomp said:
THAT IS WHAT I WANT. He can't stop the Freedom Act but he could have at least allowed the Patriot Act to expire. Like he SAID he would.
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Sir you are confused. The debated sections of the patriot act do expire tonight. Rand Paul was successful.

The vote for the USA Freedom Act is proceeding due to a 77-17 vote that Rand Paul had no hand to play in order to stop. At this point, McConnell will attempt to pass the USA Freedom Act without allowing amendments. If Rand Paul objects, this delays the vote until Tuesday.
 
twomp said:
You like to spin things just because it hurts you to hear bad things about Rand. He said he intends to let the Patriot Act expires. Not allowing the FREEDOM ACT to be passed before midnight is something that he has said he would do. He has now backed down from that. I am holding him accountable for that. Sorry if it hurts your feelings that I speak the truth. Continue spinning my words though.
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Calm down. You are wrong. You obviously misunderstand what he did and situation. He didnt backed and he didnt stopped fighting.

P.s.
Dont take this as an insult.
 
twomp said:
You like to spin things just because it hurts you to hear bad things about Rand. He said he intends to let the Patriot Act expires. Not allowing the FREEDOM ACT to be passed before midnight is something that he has said he would do. He has now backed down from that. I am holding him accountable for that. Sorry if it hurts your feelings that I speak the truth. Continue spinning my words though.
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I think you are either trolling or genuinely insane.

Rand has always mainted the position to be allowed an opportunity to debate and add his amendments to the USA Freedom Act. The U.F.A. almost passed last week but failed by 3 votes or did you forget?
 
Well, maybe not. It just said across the bottom of the screen that "no further votes are scheduled for tonight." So the Patriot Act will expire for a couple of days.
 
twomp said:
According to Senate procedure, the Senate needs unanimous vote to pass a bill. That means EVERYONE if you are confused. All Rand Paul has to do is object to the vote and it can be delayed till Tuesday. Causing the Patriot Act to expire and making it illegal to listen to our phone calls for ONE DAY. Although some of his apostles on here will argue, well... "It's just ONE day" or " They will still listen" so just let them do it... One day is better than ZERO days.
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What are you even talking about? Are you completely confused on what is happening? That vote hasn't happened yet, Rand hasn't had a chance to object yet, so yea what are you complaining about?
 
twomp said:
You like to spin things just because it hurts you to hear bad things about Rand. He said he intends to let the Patriot Act expires. Not allowing the FREEDOM ACT to be passed before midnight is something that he has said he would do. He has now backed down from that. I am holding him accountable for that. Sorry if it hurts your feelings that I speak the truth. Continue spinning my words though.
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You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, and you clearly do not understand how the US Senate works. You are talking like you know what is going on, but everyone in this thread can see that you do not. I have no problems criticizing anybody who does wrong, including Ron Paul. rand did great today. He did everything he could possibly do under Senate rules and procedures to end all mass collection. He did end the PATRIOT Act.

You are not speaking the truth, you are speaking figments of your imagination. The rest of s in this thread are speaking the truth, and you can't handle it, because it does not fit with your predetermined antipathy against Rand Paul.

We get it. You hate Rand. You will just make stuff up to hate on him, and you will accuse everyone of lying or whatever because it does not fit into your meticulously constructed fantasy world.

You are wrong, and you are just going to have to deal with it.
 
Schiff said it was easier to get lawmakers to support the Freedom Act with its changes to existing law than it would be to vote to re-enact law that had gone away.

Barring any last-minute compromises, powerful government surveillance authorities under the Patriot Act will expire at the stroke of midnight Monday. And they may never return.

This week, senators have been negotiating over whether to pass a House bill that would renew and tweak existing provisions in the long-controversial law, rather than let them “sunset” on June 1. But if the sunset comes and the provisions are off the books, lawmakers in both chambers would be facing a vote to reinstate controversial surveillance authorities, which is an entirely different political calculation.

Lawmakers may be unwilling to vote affirmatively for surveillance powers that many of them already dislike and have tried to rein in. “I think it is a real risk that if the provisions do expire, they would be more difficult to reinstate than to reform,” Representative Adam Schiff, the senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, told The Daily Beast.

Schiff supports the USA Freedom Act, which overwhelmingly passed the House but failed to muster enough votes in a midnight Senate session last Saturday. The bill would end the NSA’s collection of phone records in bulk, but leave intact other surveillance tools that, while not broadly popular, are less controversial.

Schiff said it was easier to get lawmakers to support the Freedom Act with its changes to existing law than it would be to vote to re-enact law that had gone away.

Senator Mike Lee, who also supports the Freedom Act, shared that sentiment. “There were members who voted for the USA Freedom Act who would feel differently about reinstating those provisions” once they’ve lapsed, Lee told The Daily Beast. Lee said he was talking to colleagues this week to try to persuade them to support the bill before the clock runs out.
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There were members who voted for the USA Freedom Act who would feel differently about reinstating those provisions” once they’ve lapsed

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/28/the-patriot-act-may-be-dead-for-good.html
 
Brett85 said:
Well, maybe not. It just said across the bottom of the screen that "no further votes are scheduled for tonight." So the Patriot Act will expire for a couple of days.
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Why is there no definitive word on this though??
 
twomp said:
I know comprehension is hard for you so I will type this slowly so you can understand. ALL I wanted him to do is not ALLOW the vote until the Patriot Act expires. He seems to have allowed the vote to happen now. THAT IS WHAT I WANT. He can't stop the Freedom Act but he could have at least allowed the Patriot Act to expire. Like he SAID he would.
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The comprehension problem is yours, sir. The Patriot Act will expire tonight, thanks mainly to Rand Paul. The Feedom Act passed the House and will pass the Senate. Rand will vote against it. He did everything he could and more than most have done in the last century to protect 4th Amendment rights, and still you position yourself as a bombastic critic of his efforts. Even if you sincerely believe in liberty and the 4th Amendment, I'm glad you are not representing it in the Senate!
 
What I don't understand is :

Does Wyden support a clean U.F.A. or does he support U.F.A. only with Rand's amendments added in???
 
James Otis said:
The comprehension problem is yours, sir. The Patriot Act will expire tonight, thanks mainly to Rand Paul. The Feedom Act passed the House and will pass the Senate. Rand will vote against it. He did everything he could and more than most have done in the last century to protect 4th Amendment rights, and still you position yourself as a bombastic critic of his efforts. Even if you sincerely believe in liberty and the 4th Amendment, I'm glad you are not representing it in the Senate!
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See my above post:

I think it is a real risk that if the provisions do expire, they would be more difficult to reinstate than to reform
 
They will have expired anyways. They will have expired if he voted for it last week.
 
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