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No. At the beginning he asked to be informed when he had 5 minutes left. Presumably he was allowed a longer speech.
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No. At the beginning he asked to be informed when he had 5 minutes left. Presumably he was allowed a longer speech.
Based on what? He just saw that the cloture vote passed overwhelmingly, so he knows the Freedom Act will pass. Did you expect him to be thrilled by that?
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It is clear that you actually believe that.
According to Senate procedure, the Senate needs unanimous vote to pass a bill. That means EVERYONE if you are confused. All Rand Paul has to do is object to the vote and it can be delayed till Tuesday. Causing the Patriot Act to expire and making it illegal to listen to our phone calls for ONE DAY. Although some of his apostles on here will argue, well... "It's just ONE day" or " They will still listen" so just let them do it... One day is better than ZERO days.
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What would you have done that Rand didn't? I'm scratching my head here. If you are against these provisions of the Patriot Act and Freedom Act, then you should be pleased with Rand's efforts. Frankly, if you "Can't Stand with Rand on this" and can't site a better path for him to have taken, I think you're closer to the McCain/Obama path than you are to the 4th Amendment Path.
Idealogically, Paul has done considerable harm to the wanton disregard of our 4th Amendment rights under the so-called Patriot Act. Why would you wish to belittle, demean, and undercut that effort?
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Some of us like it when people are principled.
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Some us like to be honest and principled.
You clearly think Rand just intentionally reauthorized the USA PATRIOT Act. I find that position absurd, and obviously wrong.
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This should be obvious, yes, thank you.
I know comprehension is hard for you so I will type this slowly so you can understand. ALL I wanted him to do is not ALLOW the vote until the Patriot Act expires. He seems to have allowed the vote to happen now. THAT IS WHAT I WANT. He can't stop the Freedom Act but he could have at least allowed the Patriot Act to expire. Like he SAID he would.
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Cloture is 60 votes, not 100. Cloture passed 77 to 17. You clearly do not understand how this works.
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Tromp, Rand accomplished what he wanted to today, they are moving past the patriot act letting it expire (which Rand said he was going to cause to happen, and he did)
He can't control whether or not the USA freedom act passes but he can TRY to get a debate and amendments added to it, that is what he wants but it doesn't mean that is what he will get.
He can't control whether or not the USA freedom act passes but he can TRY to get a debate and amendments added to it, that is what he wants but it doesn't mean that is what he will get.
You like to spin things just because it hurts you to hear bad things about Rand. He said he intends to let the Patriot Act expires. Not allowing the FREEDOM ACT to be passed before midnight is something that he has said he would do. He has now backed down from that. I am holding him accountable for that. Sorry if it hurts your feelings that I speak the truth. Continue spinning my words though.
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Rand is Awesome and Tearing it UP!!
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