List of Just Demands for Dealing with Anti-Rule of Law Illegal Aliens

I read a book in college that was a documentary of sorts on the biggest organized Mexican labor camp in California. Boy was I surprised to find out that it was within walking distance of the house I grew up in as a child!!

Your hatred of Mexican immigrants is either an invention of your own mind, or it was built upon an intellectually dishonest media cabal. Either way you need to stop hating Mexicans and begin to understand the environment around you and why it is that way.

Chosen, did you grow up near a large Mexican labor camp?

I am trying to figure out where all this hatred comes from. I grew up around a lot of illegal aliens and a lot of Mexicans. I was there for almost two decades. I'm really, really white. I have no problem with them, and in general I think they are better behaved than many consumerist white people because they are very family oriented rather than oriented on consumption as many Americans are.

All your posts are talking about these horrible Mexicans, but I grew up around them and I didn't see it. I think you're delusional on this one.
 
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Chosen, did you grow up near a large Mexican labor camp?

I am trying to figure out where all this hatred comes from. I grew up around a lot of illegal aliens and a lot of Mexicans. I was there for almost two decades. I'm really, really white. I have no problem with them, and in general I think they are better behaved than many consumerist white people because they are very family oriented rather than oriented on consumption as many Americans are.

All your posts are talking about these horrible Mexicans, but I grew up around them and I didn't see it. I think you're delusional on this one.
Again you are trying to turn this into a racial issue to make some sort of point in your false paradigm.

I have no hatred of anyone based on race. Of course you know this but continue to say things like this to try and ignore the facts at play here. This is just far left slander tactics.

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Your comment is narcissistic, but quite common on the open borders left. "I ain't never seen no bad" is ridiculous. The complaint has nothing to do with observations or subjective interpretations. It has to do with violations of the rule of law. This is manifest in an illegal group who is lobbying the federal government to change the laws in their favor after they have committed a crime. this is a violation of the rule of law.

The evidence for a problem with illegal immigration is out there and ever present. We all know about it.

BTW, your observations would never really make for anything credible I am sure.
 
All illegal aliens have no respect for private property or the rule of law.

Here are a list of demands that we as Cosnervatives are now making and should be presented much louder as the authoritarian collectivists try to "legalize" the illegal aliens as part of their balkanize and socialize America plan. The illegal aliens from Mexico are willing and ready participants in this global corporatist ideology. We are seeing th fusion of the open borders collectivists and global corporatists as they push for global governance. The illegal alien from Mexico is perfect for putting the nails in the coffin of any remaining rule of law in the US. We are now deeply in the conditions of Cosmopolitan Law and moving quickly towards rule BY law.

A list of Just Demands:
*No Amnesty.
*Deportation.
*Penalize workplaces that hire illegal aliens.
*Building of a border fence/wall.
*Enforcement at the Border. Adequate Border Patrol Agents and Equipment.
*National Guard at the border. Allowed to make arrests in defense of the border.
*Felony prosecution of illegal offenders.
*Current enforcement of existing immigration laws (as of May 17th 2007)
*No “anchor babies.”
*No “chain migration.”
*Mexican consulates are not allowed to interfere with investigations.
*Mexican consulates are not allowed to interfere with American School children and their education.
*Mexican special interest groups are not allowed to lobby for laws in the United States.
*Compensation given to all American citizens victimized by Illegal Aliens.
*Pardoning of Agent Ramos , Compean and Hernandez.
*End to Sanctuary cities.
*States and Municipalities are responsible for enforcing Federal Immigration Laws.
*Illegal Alien Hiring Centers should be closed down.
*Any crime committed by an Illegal Alien is automatically a felony.
*Harboring, aiding and providing sanctuary to illegal aliens is a felony.
*Seperation of church and state. Santuary churches are violating this division by practicing political adventurism. This should be a felony.
*Senators and Congressmen should be forced, under penalty of perjury to attest to reading all legislation. They must also provide breifs on the items which are made available to the public.
*Illegal alien records should be made public as an accessible offender registry.
*Information about workplaces that hire illegals should be made public as an offender registry.
*Violation of the rule of law with the intention to create new political configurations is treason.

I think this can all be taken care of with penalties for businesses who engage in hiring illegals. If they can't find work, health care, or schooling here the illegal way then they will cease to be a problem.

They need to fix their own country into a prosperous one and not depend on the American tax payer. They need to stay and fight against their government for freedom.
 
Ron Paul on immigration:

* If economy were good, there’d be no immigration problem. (Dec 2007)
* Amend Constitution to remove aliens’ birthright citizenship. (Dec 2007)
* Those who attack bilingualism are jealous & feel inferior. (Dec 2007)
* No amnesty, but impractical to round up 12 million illegals. (Sep 2007)
* Immigration problem is consequence of welfare state. (Sep 2007)
* No amnesty, but border fence isn’t so important. (Jun 2007)
* We subsidize illegal immigration, so we get more. (Jun 2007)
* Keep rule barring immigrants from running for president. (May 2007)
* End all incentives and amnesty for illegal immigrants. (Jan 2006)
* Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
* Voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)
* Voted YES on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)
* Voted YES on extending Immigrant Residency rules. (May 2001)
* Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
* Sponsored bill banning student visas from terrorist nations. (Jan 2003)
* Rated 100% by FAIR, indicating a voting record restricting immigration. (Dec 2003)
* Rated 83% by USBC, indicating a sealed-border stance. (Dec 2006)
* Government services in English only. (Mar 2008)
* Declare English as the official language of the US. (Feb 2007)

http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul_Immigration.htm
Exactly.

Ron Paul is completely against Amnesty.
 
roho, one of the problems is that nobody enforces the law. This is the crux. The laws are there on the books, but we allow people based on their ethnicity to be exempt from them.
 
Ron Paul is completely against Amnesty.

Misdirection.

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*Building of a border fence/wall.

Ok, so you're for eminent domain, check.

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*National Guard at the border. Allowed to make arrests in defense of the border.

Ok, militarization of the border, check.

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*Compensation given to all American citizens victimized by Illegal Aliens.

Collective punishment and theft through taxation, check.

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*States and Municipalities are responsible for enforcing Federal Immigration Laws.

What is the constitutional basis for this "demand?"

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*Separation of church and state. Santuary churches are violating this division by practicing political adventurism. This should be a felony.

^ lol, double speak.

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*Harboring, aiding and providing sanctuary to illegal aliens is a felony.


All of this has what to do with Ron Paul again?
 
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It has to do with violations of the rule of law. This is manifest in an illegal group who is lobbying the federal government to change the laws in their favor after they have committed a crime. this is a violation of the rule of law.

Wow, you're like my parents who think that every gay person is apart of some network of infiltrators into our government. The fact is most of the gay people I've ever met are very disinterested in politics in general, just like the majority of the US population.

You are the collectivist here, you are the one grouping all illegal immigrants into this group of people who are inherently immoral and are all apart of some grand lobbying scheme. The lobbying comes in all likelihood from businesses that benefit from their cheap labor.
 
roho, one of the problems is that nobody enforces the law. This is the crux. The laws are there on the books, but we allow people based on their ethnicity to be exempt from them.

No, the majority of citizens in the us are against illegal immigration & our gov knows this but refuses to do anything. The fact is corp. america wants cheep labor & the gov wants amnesty so they can collect taxes & social security. The illegals know this & also know they are taking american's job's illegally with our gov's help.
 
Wow, you're like my parents who think that every gay person is apart of some network of infiltrators into our government. The fact is most of the gay people I've ever met are very disinterested in politics in general, just like the majority of the US population.

Yea, you're right. Now I have to amend my statement, "if it's not the terrists, islamo-fascists or gays, it's the mexicans."
 
Wow, you're like my parents who think that every gay person is apart of some network of infiltrators into our government. The fact is most of the gay people I've ever met are very disinterested in politics in general, just like the majority of the US population.
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Again a far fetched, far reaching analogy that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

So far you have attempted to create a diversion from the topic at hand by bringing up pot and gays. They are not being spoken of here in any way. Do you yet have anything to address in regards to the OP? Probably not which is why you are spamming?
 
No, the majority of citizens in the us are against illegal immigration & our gov knows this but refuses to do anything. The fact is corp. america wants cheep labor & the gov wants amnesty so they can collect taxes & social security. The illegals know this & also know they are taking american's job's illegally with our gov's help.
I think we are in agreement.
 
Again a far fetched, far reaching analogy that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I think it's funny how you cut the part out where I explain how the analogy relates to the topic at hand and then make a statement like that. At least be intellectually honest, provide the statement I made in the quote and then attack my position.

You are attempting to tell people that Mexicans are responsible for all illegal immigration, and that illegal immigrants are actively petitioning our government to make them legal. The fact is most of them are hiding and have no interaction with our government because they don't want to get deported. But go ahead, keep living in your delusional world where the Mexicans are horrible people and it's all their fault when I have shown that it is in fact our country that created the immigration problem.
 
Ron Paul: No Amnesty!
http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-05-07/ron-paul-no-amnesty/
By TomJ • May 7, 2008

Now that John McCain is talking of “comprehensive” immigration reform (code word for amnesty) again, there is only one Presidential candidate who wants America to remain American by eliminating - rather than encouraging - illegal immigration: Ron Paul.

The immigration debate probably won’t change the course of this election as other issues have come to the forefront. But while most Americans are preoccupied with trying to make ends meet in the face of skyrocketing inflation, the facts on the ground are being created right now for eventual union with Mexico and Canada.

The United States already has free trade agreements and de facto open borders with Mexico. Motivated by economic opportunity and easy welfare, illegals come and go as they please and live in our sanctuary cities where they are safe from deportation. What’s next? Further economic integration, loss of national sovereignty, and a common currency… which probably won’t be the dollar as it has been collapsing right before our eyes.

Eventually, these developments could lead to a third-world style “North American Union” which would be a fascist elite’s dream come true. An impoverished, dependent and divided population is much easier to rule than a nation of self-confident individuals who can make a living on their own and who share the traditions and values that this country was founded upon.

Ron Paul’s six point plan puts a stop to illegal immigration:

1. Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
2. Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
3. No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
4. No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
5. End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
6. Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.
 
Ron Paul: No Amnesty!
http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-05-07/ron-paul-no-amnesty/
By TomJ • May 7, 2008

Now that John McCain is talking of “comprehensive” immigration reform (code word for amnesty) again, there is only one Presidential candidate who wants America to remain American by eliminating - rather than encouraging - illegal immigration: Ron Paul.

The immigration debate probably won’t change the course of this election as other issues have come to the forefront. But while most Americans are preoccupied with trying to make ends meet in the face of skyrocketing inflation, the facts on the ground are being created right now for eventual union with Mexico and Canada.

The United States already has free trade agreements and de facto open borders with Mexico. Motivated by economic opportunity and easy welfare, illegals come and go as they please and live in our sanctuary cities where they are safe from deportation. What’s next? Further economic integration, loss of national sovereignty, and a common currency… which probably won’t be the dollar as it has been collapsing right before our eyes.

Eventually, these developments could lead to a third-world style “North American Union” which would be a fascist elite’s dream come true. An impoverished, dependent and divided population is much easier to rule than a nation of self-confident individuals who can make a living on their own and who share the traditions and values that this country was founded upon.

Ron Paul’s six point plan puts a stop to illegal immigration:

1. Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
2. Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
3. No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
4. No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
5. End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
6. Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.


Funny, didn't notice any mention of using eminent domain to seize land and build a border fence, nor did I notice any mention of militarizing the border...

Nor any allusions to vigilante justice (per your ".308" remark).

Furthermore, I find it funny that you would try to present someone's blog as being Ron Paul's words (which they are not). More propaganda from the Santelli tea party promotor "Chosen," no surprise.
 
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Nice try, no need for eminent domain LOL!

http://www.borderfenceproject.com/



http://www.weneedafence.com/news/read/14
The Facts

Roger Barnett is an Arizona rancher whose property has been violated too many times to list by illegal immigrants over the years. They have left him presents in the form of human waste, garbage, and dead cattle which died from ingesting their trash. He has rounded scores of them up and delivered them to the border patrol. Apparently, these invaders have decided that his land is the entry of choice in this immediate area. Never mind that they do not have the right to access this nation as they do. Never mind that they do not have the right to enter another man’s property at their whim. What matters to these people is that they want to enter this country, one way or the other. Simply stated, their will is what matters, and anyone else’s rights or wishes mean less to them than the feces they deposit on their path through property not their own.

Over the years, these people have destroyed Barnett’s property and broken into his home. They have marched through his land with utter disregard and impunity for his or anyone else’s rights. I defy any property owner in this country to have such patience and restraint despite repeated and blatant violations and intrusions by insolent trespassers.

Imagine people jumping over your fence, destroying your property, breaking into your home and depositing human waste on your doorstep and tell me how you would respond. Would you invite them in and offer them tea? Perhaps you would ask them to spend the night with your family, perhaps using your bed while you sleep in the sofa? Maybe a little lemonade and hot dog stand out there for them to get a little lunch on their way through your land? Sorry about that last one, since I am sure liberals would argue that you are taking advantage of poor, defenseless innocents simply searching for a better life. I guess you should offer them that lemonade and those hot dogs for free – or else.

The Case

It happens that 16 Mexican illegals had the utter gall to sue Barnett for violation of their civil rights by threatening and cursing and waving a gun at them as well as inferring that he would send his dog after them as well. Imagine that. What is an unlawful invader to think when he or she cannot trample across another’s private property, taking a dump on his land, throwing garbage and destroying his property without having a few choice vulgarities thrown his or her way? In fact, some racial slurs may have been thrown as well. While I do not condone racial slurs, vulgarities or threats, I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the guy whose land and property is being invaded, destroyed and turned into a natural bathroom. I do not know how I would act under such circumstances, but I doubt that I would kiss and hug these people.

The illegal immigrants were represented by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF) who have tried to make Barnett look like a vigilante maniac. MALDEF sued for $ 32 million in actual and punitive damages. John Roll, the federal judge who actually allowed this absurdity to go to trial, is merely another example of the pathetic leftist judiciary that is destroying this nation. Thankfully, the jury saw the light and rejected the civil rights violation claim, recognizing that only an insane, drug-addicted fool or a liberal would seriously argue that one’s civil rights can be violated by a property owner merely trying to defend his rights against one’s own blatant abuse of those rights.

Proving that its sanity was not complete, that same jury inexplicably awarded the trespassers $78,000 on claims of assault and “emotional distress.” Suppose a man breaks into your home and you threaten to shoot him unless he leaves. He proceeds to use your sofa as a bathroom and begins to cry. Can he now sue you for assault and emotional distress? This is called a jury brainwashed by this nation’s liberally-induced stupidity.

Fortunately, it appears that with attorney charges and the like, this judgment may never be collected by the trespassers. Still, it is an absurdity that these insolent trespassers should be awarded a roll of toilet paper much less any money.

Wait, There’s More

I just read a press release from MALDEF which paints the ruling as a victory for their side, calling Barnett a “vigilante rancher” and adding that his actions were “extreme and outrageous” and “will not be tolerated.” MALDEF stated that it was pleased with the jury’s verdict which “sends a strong message condemning vigilante violence against immigrants,” according to Marisol Perez, MALDEF staff attorney and counsel for the plaintiffs. Two law firms, Dewey & LeBoeuf and Haralson, Miller, Pitt, Feldman and McAnally participated as pro bono counsel on behalf of the plaintiffs, proving that most law firms will instinctively swim in the direction of potential million dollar judgments.
Vigilantes are defined as self-appointed determiners of justice. Is that not what MALDEF and these illegal immigrants are doing? Are they not determining that it is just to trespass on another’s property without any consequences? Are they not determining that illegal immigrants are just “immigrants” whenever the illegal part is inconvenient or does not fit their victim agenda?

As a legal immigrant of this nation, I am disgusted by yet another treatment of illegal immigrants as legal ones. I have tried in vain to argue that legal immigrants should be insulted, not energized, when liberals lump them with illegal immigrants and pretend that everyone is just one, happy, smiling entrant unto these shores. If one is legal and yet those who are illegal are treated as one is, what value does one’s legality actually have? In fact, if illegal immigrants are given the same rights as citizens, what value is there in being a citizen?

Mexico treats those who enter its country illegally like animals, with no rights or privileges, yet here we have this radical group filled with ranks of educated lawyers drunk with visions of defending so-called victims actually mugging people like Mr. Barnett who are just trying to defend their property rights. Any system which enables these trespassers, MALDEF, this jury and this judge to get anywhere is a disaster.

Contrary to the claims of MALDEF, these were not innocent immigrants resting on their journey to a better life. They were illegal trespassers trampling on a nation and property they did not belong in. I do not pretend that Barnett is a choir boy or saint. Perhaps at times he went too far. What I do know is that I respect and understand his outrage at a system which even dares to pretend that he is the bad guy here while painting people who do not respect others’ rights as noble victims.

I wonder what Ms. Perez and MALDEF would do if people entered their homes, destroyed their property and used their backyard as a public bathroom. I am amazed that Perez and MALDEF could call Barnett’s actions outrageous and extreme while condoning the illegal acts of the plaintiffs. I am not, however, amazed that these people could so conveniently forget to mention the fact that they lost the $ 32 million civil rights claim and still call their absurd result a victory. Such is the logic of irrational fanatics with an agenda feeding on a dysfunctional nation and legal system. I am a proud Latino who loves both my heritage and this nation, but I am a bit less proud today.

FamilySecurityMatters.org Contributing Editor Gabriel Garnica, Esq., is a college professor and licensed attorney whose regular commentary also appears on NewMediaJournal.us, Michnews and various Internet journals. Feedback: .
 
Furthermore, I find it funny that you would try to present someone's blog as being Ron Paul's words (which they are not). More propaganda from the Santelli tea party promotor "Chosen," no surprise.

And your post above, more collectivist propaganda and more misdirection. It doesn't even address what you present it as addressing. Again, no surprises from Santelli Tea Party Promotor "Chosen."
 
And your post above, more collectivist propaganda and more misdirection. Again, no surprises from Santelli Tea Party Promotor "Chosen."

Nope you seem to have no idea what collectivism is. Although I do identify your ameteurish attempt to spin it this way. Collectivists support the policies of illegal immigration. Individualists, like Dr Ron Paul are against illegal immigration.

Collectivists support open borders.

Here you can still be educated I am sure of it:
http://freedomkeys.com/collectivism.htm
 
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