angrydragon
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Hold Q&A fund raisers, where people come and donate money or not. Or just hold traditional fund raisers.
List constructive criticisms for HQ here
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Bradley has this been sent yet?
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After Ron Paul says "I won't run 3rd party because the process is biased against 3rd parties", he then needs to say "Also, I won't run 3rd party because I'm a Republican"
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I will only donate to ads wherein Dr. Paul himself speaks on the issues.
Why?
Because all other ads, while well intentioned - are a waste of money.
Get real! If Bush-hating Bill Maher or Howard Stern doesn't know what Dr. Paul looks like and what he stands for, we have to admit that we have (pardon my French) A FUCKING BIG PROBLEM.
We need our candidate, Dr. Paul to be recognized instantaneously by the voters. Not some part-time actor or actress.
Do endorsements work? Yes. Are they more valuable or more effective than Dr. Paul himself speaking to the public? No.
Focus your advertisement energies - ALL of it on Dr. Paul himself. Right now, nearly all your efforts and money are just being wasted.
Time and money is something we no longer have.
I fear Dr. Paul is being taken for a fool by 'lobbyists' who are only interested in the millions of donations he has received.
Why?
Because all other ads, while well intentioned - are a waste of money.
Get real! If Bush-hating Bill Maher or Howard Stern doesn't know what Dr. Paul looks like and what he stands for, we have to admit that we have (pardon my French) A FUCKING BIG PROBLEM.
We need our candidate, Dr. Paul to be recognized instantaneously by the voters. Not some part-time actor or actress.
Do endorsements work? Yes. Are they more valuable or more effective than Dr. Paul himself speaking to the public? No.
Focus your advertisement energies - ALL of it on Dr. Paul himself. Right now, nearly all your efforts and money are just being wasted.
Time and money is something we no longer have.
I fear Dr. Paul is being taken for a fool by 'lobbyists' who are only interested in the millions of donations he has received.
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Matt Collins
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To my knowledge he hasn't said he won't run 3rd party however he has said "he has no plans of it".
This has probably been said but Paul needs to campaign alot more seriously.
If you look at the number of campaign events. stops, and visits the other Republican candidates have done and continue to do in all the early primary states Paul is very close to last behind all of them.
New Hampshire was supposedly Paul's most important early primary state. He is recorded as doing about 50 events in that state, the most events that he has done then in any state. The put him above only Duncan Hunter who did 18 events and Fred Thompson with 9. Compare that to Romney who held 146 events, McCain with 103, Giuliani 87, and Huckabee with 83.
Iowa was his second most heavily visited state with 33 stops. Thats nothing. Romney did 177. And Huckabee, who was on a shoestring budget, did 101 while simultaneously doing 83 in NH. McCain and Giuliani who had both written off Iowa did more events then Paul.
Michigan which was a unique opportunity out of all the early primary states, with no Democratic delegates and an open primary, has been written off by the campaign. No campaign stops by Paul before the primary. In South Carolina Paul has only done a minuscule 13 events.
We rightfully complain about media bias but this lack of visibility on the campaign trail serious hurts too. One would think that the logical thing to do would be to hit the trail as hard as you can when faced with such media blackout (especially if you have the funds). Get the message out! Force the media to pay attention! But that does not seem to be the case.
See and compare for yourself:
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/tracker/candidates/ron-paul/states/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/tracker/candidates/mike-huckabee/states/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/tracker/candidates/mitt-romney/states/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/tracker/candidates/john-mccain/states/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/tracker/candidates/rudy-giuliani/states/
What is the reason for this?
Its definitely cannot be for lack of money. McCain's and Huckabee's campaign, until their victories, where both on fumes.
Is it because campaigning is just too physically demanding upon someone Paul's age? I dont deny that campaigning must be tiresome, but McCain is only a year younger then Paul at 71 and is among the top campaigners.
Is it because of Paul's job as a Congressman? I truly do respect Paul's work ethic but this cannot be used as an excuse. McCain is a sitting senator, and so are Hillary and Obama. Yet they don't shrink from campaigning. And neither should Paul especially after raking in close to $20mil in supporters money. The people gave this money to Paul in good faith with the belief that he and the campaign would run a serious professional race for the presidency. The priority for this race SHOULD be his primary job.
Now for whatever reasons that Paul and National might have, I sadly do not think, and nor have they shown, that they are living up to this serious and professional standard.
I really really truly hope this changes...and soon!
If you look at the number of campaign events. stops, and visits the other Republican candidates have done and continue to do in all the early primary states Paul is very close to last behind all of them.
New Hampshire was supposedly Paul's most important early primary state. He is recorded as doing about 50 events in that state, the most events that he has done then in any state. The put him above only Duncan Hunter who did 18 events and Fred Thompson with 9. Compare that to Romney who held 146 events, McCain with 103, Giuliani 87, and Huckabee with 83.
Iowa was his second most heavily visited state with 33 stops. Thats nothing. Romney did 177. And Huckabee, who was on a shoestring budget, did 101 while simultaneously doing 83 in NH. McCain and Giuliani who had both written off Iowa did more events then Paul.
Michigan which was a unique opportunity out of all the early primary states, with no Democratic delegates and an open primary, has been written off by the campaign. No campaign stops by Paul before the primary. In South Carolina Paul has only done a minuscule 13 events.
We rightfully complain about media bias but this lack of visibility on the campaign trail serious hurts too. One would think that the logical thing to do would be to hit the trail as hard as you can when faced with such media blackout (especially if you have the funds). Get the message out! Force the media to pay attention! But that does not seem to be the case.
See and compare for yourself:
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/tracker/candidates/ron-paul/states/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/tracker/candidates/mike-huckabee/states/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/tracker/candidates/mitt-romney/states/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/tracker/candidates/john-mccain/states/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/tracker/candidates/rudy-giuliani/states/
What is the reason for this?
Its definitely cannot be for lack of money. McCain's and Huckabee's campaign, until their victories, where both on fumes.
Is it because campaigning is just too physically demanding upon someone Paul's age? I dont deny that campaigning must be tiresome, but McCain is only a year younger then Paul at 71 and is among the top campaigners.
Is it because of Paul's job as a Congressman? I truly do respect Paul's work ethic but this cannot be used as an excuse. McCain is a sitting senator, and so are Hillary and Obama. Yet they don't shrink from campaigning. And neither should Paul especially after raking in close to $20mil in supporters money. The people gave this money to Paul in good faith with the belief that he and the campaign would run a serious professional race for the presidency. The priority for this race SHOULD be his primary job.
Now for whatever reasons that Paul and National might have, I sadly do not think, and nor have they shown, that they are living up to this serious and professional standard.
I really really truly hope this changes...and soon!
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Convince us that you are serious about winning.
It's hard to continue to go out canvassing when I get the feeling there is not a deep commitment to win by either Ron Paul or the national campaign.
You're not even "talking the talk" of a winner let alone "walking the walk".
It is really unfair to the grassroots.
It's hard to continue to go out canvassing when I get the feeling there is not a deep commitment to win by either Ron Paul or the national campaign.
You're not even "talking the talk" of a winner let alone "walking the walk".
It is really unfair to the grassroots.
The one issue that is killing Dr. Paul
Dr. Paul, you are losing supporters because you are failing to seriously address the newsletter issue.
Your bloggers and internet army have no ammo to fight against your detractors. On any other issue I can link to a quote from you or a youtube video that backs up your arguements...but the only thing we have to fight the racism charges is a stammering "deer in the headlights" ambush on the Situation Room and a statement from the campaign that we should "move on", that it happened a long time ago and we should all forget about it.
Easier said than done, Dr. Paul. You need to seriously address this topic if you expect people to keep throwing money at your campaign. I love the message and will fight to defend it, but we're losing because of this!! As that asshole David Gergin said, "it may be old news to Dr. Paul, but its new news to America."
Address the newsletters, throw people under the bus if you have to! Save your campaign! It is the most important thing you need to do, because if you expect us to fight for you (and we will) we must be equipped for the battle!! Your base is being divided over this. I love you, Dr. Paul and I want to see you win, for my children, for my country and most of all for PEACE! You must let go of the "ignore it and it will go away" mentality...every time you rise in the polls or do well in a primary, this issue will raise its ugly head until you finally put it to bed once and for all!!
Most sincerely concerned,
Kelly
Dr. Paul, you are losing supporters because you are failing to seriously address the newsletter issue.
Your bloggers and internet army have no ammo to fight against your detractors. On any other issue I can link to a quote from you or a youtube video that backs up your arguements...but the only thing we have to fight the racism charges is a stammering "deer in the headlights" ambush on the Situation Room and a statement from the campaign that we should "move on", that it happened a long time ago and we should all forget about it.
Easier said than done, Dr. Paul. You need to seriously address this topic if you expect people to keep throwing money at your campaign. I love the message and will fight to defend it, but we're losing because of this!! As that asshole David Gergin said, "it may be old news to Dr. Paul, but its new news to America."
Address the newsletters, throw people under the bus if you have to! Save your campaign! It is the most important thing you need to do, because if you expect us to fight for you (and we will) we must be equipped for the battle!! Your base is being divided over this. I love you, Dr. Paul and I want to see you win, for my children, for my country and most of all for PEACE! You must let go of the "ignore it and it will go away" mentality...every time you rise in the polls or do well in a primary, this issue will raise its ugly head until you finally put it to bed once and for all!!
Most sincerely concerned,
Kelly
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My rant....
MONEY
HQ: You claim to need 23 million for February 5th. But what happened to the 20 million you just had? As a supporter and a doner, I want to know as my future donations depend on it. Was it spent in Iowa, New Hampshire, spread evenly, or are you holding a lot of it back? Clearly, whatever was spent on Iowa and New Hampshire was completely inneffective. If so, you should fess up and disclose what the new strategy or new ads will be.
Basically, I want to know what your strategy is. I want to SEE what ads or what plan I am investing in because so far, I'm not seeing results. Other campaigns reveal what their strategy is (Huckabee Iowa push = success, McCain New Hampshire push = success, Romney for Iowa, New Hampshire, and Michigan = pending, Thompson South Carolina = pending, Rudy Florida = pending). What is OUR strategy?
As far as timing, how can you possibly spend 23 million dollars in less than 2 weeks when you needed a full month of lead time back in December? If you have a set ad rotation or set plan, you SHOULD TELL US! If it is the same plan as Iowa and New Hampshire, I don't see the point in donating.
DEBATES AND MESSAGE
It bugs me to no end to watch the debates and know the answers but fail to see it delivered in a way that resonates with the average American. I love Dr. Paul's depth of knowledge. But he's already got the studious voters. We now need the soundbyte voters. I don't think it is unreasonable to hone the message to a cliffnotes version that hits home with people.
Don't focus on problems. Focus on the solution. For example, the major hicup that Republican voters have is with Ron Paul's foreign policy. They are turned off that Ron Paul only sites what we are doing wrong. It has a negative connotation. Instead, we should be highlighting how our SOLUTION is different.
Something like: Ron Paul is the only candidate with the sensible foreign policy of not giving away hundreds of billions of your tax dollars to other countries when we have needs here. Ron Paul is the only candidate that is proposing to bring our troops home from the 130 countries they are currently station which would result in a savings of close to a Trillion dollars a year. Only Ron Paul advocates a practical approach to terrorism by hunting down those groups or individuals that are responsible for terrorist attacks instead of overthrowing governments and going into costly nation-building. You just have to highlight the solution and spell out how you are different. It is as easy as that.
TO THE GRASSROOTS
All this being said, I am not giving up hope. I am a precinct leader and plan on delivering a victory in my precinct. That is all I can control. However, I AM disturbed by some of the people I meet in the Meetup group. I asked another person what they were distributing and I was handed a 9/11 Truth dollar with a creepy looking George Bush on it and a page with pieces of a Chuck Baldwin article copied on a page that made it look like a serial killer put it together. If this kind of off the message crap is getting distributed, it is no wonder we are losing. Unfortunately, it seems these people are the most passionate and also the loudest. PLEASE STICK TO THE MESSAGE FROM RON PAUL. LEAVE YOUR PERSONAL AGENDAS AT HOME.
Okay, I got it all off my chest now. :o
MONEY
HQ: You claim to need 23 million for February 5th. But what happened to the 20 million you just had? As a supporter and a doner, I want to know as my future donations depend on it. Was it spent in Iowa, New Hampshire, spread evenly, or are you holding a lot of it back? Clearly, whatever was spent on Iowa and New Hampshire was completely inneffective. If so, you should fess up and disclose what the new strategy or new ads will be.
Basically, I want to know what your strategy is. I want to SEE what ads or what plan I am investing in because so far, I'm not seeing results. Other campaigns reveal what their strategy is (Huckabee Iowa push = success, McCain New Hampshire push = success, Romney for Iowa, New Hampshire, and Michigan = pending, Thompson South Carolina = pending, Rudy Florida = pending). What is OUR strategy?
As far as timing, how can you possibly spend 23 million dollars in less than 2 weeks when you needed a full month of lead time back in December? If you have a set ad rotation or set plan, you SHOULD TELL US! If it is the same plan as Iowa and New Hampshire, I don't see the point in donating.
DEBATES AND MESSAGE
It bugs me to no end to watch the debates and know the answers but fail to see it delivered in a way that resonates with the average American. I love Dr. Paul's depth of knowledge. But he's already got the studious voters. We now need the soundbyte voters. I don't think it is unreasonable to hone the message to a cliffnotes version that hits home with people.
Don't focus on problems. Focus on the solution. For example, the major hicup that Republican voters have is with Ron Paul's foreign policy. They are turned off that Ron Paul only sites what we are doing wrong. It has a negative connotation. Instead, we should be highlighting how our SOLUTION is different.
Something like: Ron Paul is the only candidate with the sensible foreign policy of not giving away hundreds of billions of your tax dollars to other countries when we have needs here. Ron Paul is the only candidate that is proposing to bring our troops home from the 130 countries they are currently station which would result in a savings of close to a Trillion dollars a year. Only Ron Paul advocates a practical approach to terrorism by hunting down those groups or individuals that are responsible for terrorist attacks instead of overthrowing governments and going into costly nation-building. You just have to highlight the solution and spell out how you are different. It is as easy as that.
TO THE GRASSROOTS
All this being said, I am not giving up hope. I am a precinct leader and plan on delivering a victory in my precinct. That is all I can control. However, I AM disturbed by some of the people I meet in the Meetup group. I asked another person what they were distributing and I was handed a 9/11 Truth dollar with a creepy looking George Bush on it and a page with pieces of a Chuck Baldwin article copied on a page that made it look like a serial killer put it together. If this kind of off the message crap is getting distributed, it is no wonder we are losing. Unfortunately, it seems these people are the most passionate and also the loudest. PLEASE STICK TO THE MESSAGE FROM RON PAUL. LEAVE YOUR PERSONAL AGENDAS AT HOME.
Okay, I got it all off my chest now. :o
Dr. Paul is an extremely intelligent person with the answers to the problems our nation faces. Unfortunately, the general population doesn’t have the patience to absorb the discussions as you present them. He needs to present the problem and offer the solution in one sentence.
Look at the demographics and target the campaign to the most likely converts.
Dr. Paul needs to use the word "I" instead of we. The message IS the reason he has seen success, but HE is the champion of the cause. "When I am President..."
Ask for the sale: At the end of each engagement Dr. Paul needs to ask those in attendance to vote for him - and to take someone else with them to vote for him.
Look at the demographics and target the campaign to the most likely converts.
Dr. Paul needs to use the word "I" instead of we. The message IS the reason he has seen success, but HE is the champion of the cause. "When I am President..."
Ask for the sale: At the end of each engagement Dr. Paul needs to ask those in attendance to vote for him - and to take someone else with them to vote for him.
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As much commitment as Ron shows by doing the amazing things he does on a constant basis, we need to see more in this way: FORGET ABOUT CONGRESS FOR NOW. I could understand him going sometimes....say on extremely important votes, but look at all the other campaigns--McCain, Clinton, Obama--all in Congress, all focusing their attention on campaigning. I KNOW Ron doesn't 'want' to be President very badly--but he needs to start acting like it.
Also: INVOLVE CAROL! She would be so helpful if she was going to/setting up meetings/speeches/events mostly geared toward GAINING THE FEMALE DEMOGRAPHIC.
Also: INVOLVE CAROL! She would be so helpful if she was going to/setting up meetings/speeches/events mostly geared toward GAINING THE FEMALE DEMOGRAPHIC.
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Here is the important thing. Coordinate, Coordinate, Coordinate!!!
If you're going to have a rally somewhere, ADVERTISE FOR IT!!!!
Get out of the old mold of commercials and use something that will attract the masses of young people that are crowding around Obama. Address their emotions and their concerns like Raegan did. Then at the rally, have tables that tell them how they can help. It's not working with the old republicans so let's break the mold and attract who this campaign has always attracted... Young people, disaffected Republicans, the independents and the Democrats! Most the people who are working so hard for Ron Paul have NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN POLITICS!!!! So quit running a campaign to attract the current GOP party and instead run a campaign that brings in every one else. We have the enthusiasm and the energy and we can take Ron Paul to the White House so get the message to that audience and get them to the rallies. Hold 5-6 rallies a day all planned in conjunction with the radio and TV advertising so that each area knows he will be in town.
One more time, QUIT THE OLD POLITICAL WAY!!! Most people tune it out and the old republicans your only getting about 5-8% of with that method. Use new methods that make people not feel like it's politics so that they will get involved and participate.
If you're going to have a rally somewhere, ADVERTISE FOR IT!!!!
Get out of the old mold of commercials and use something that will attract the masses of young people that are crowding around Obama. Address their emotions and their concerns like Raegan did. Then at the rally, have tables that tell them how they can help. It's not working with the old republicans so let's break the mold and attract who this campaign has always attracted... Young people, disaffected Republicans, the independents and the Democrats! Most the people who are working so hard for Ron Paul have NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN POLITICS!!!! So quit running a campaign to attract the current GOP party and instead run a campaign that brings in every one else. We have the enthusiasm and the energy and we can take Ron Paul to the White House so get the message to that audience and get them to the rallies. Hold 5-6 rallies a day all planned in conjunction with the radio and TV advertising so that each area knows he will be in town.
One more time, QUIT THE OLD POLITICAL WAY!!! Most people tune it out and the old republicans your only getting about 5-8% of with that method. Use new methods that make people not feel like it's politics so that they will get involved and participate.
I wish it were that easy, but it's not. The fact is, the youth and disenfranchised voters we hoped to get haven't materialized. My home state has a closed primary, which means we have to go after undecided Republican voters. It's a shame really, because many non-Republicans I talk to might have voted for Ron Paul in an open primary, but to get them to register Republican to do it? No way.
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Why? Constructive criticism is healthy.
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ALCON:
My parents are workers for the Seminole County Election Commission in Florida. Today was the first day of early voting and the person in charge of one of the specific locations said that 150 people voted there today BUT NOT ONE PERSON WAS HOLDING A SIGN OR HANDING OUT LITERATURE!!!!
THIS IS PROBLEMATIC:
-=Here in Nashville our phone polling has told us that the majority of Republican supervoters are still undecided.=-
This means that HAVING A LARGE NUMBER OF RON PAUL SUPPORTERS AT THE POLLS CAN GREATLY INFLUENCE THE ELECTION. If the average undecided voter drives up to a poll and sees no one but Ron Paul supporters standing around it might be enough to swing their vote.
THIS IS CRITICAL!!!
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My parents are workers for the Seminole County Election Commission in Florida. Today was the first day of early voting and the person in charge of one of the specific locations said that 150 people voted there today BUT NOT ONE PERSON WAS HOLDING A SIGN OR HANDING OUT LITERATURE!!!!
THIS IS PROBLEMATIC:
-=Here in Nashville our phone polling has told us that the majority of Republican supervoters are still undecided.=-
This means that HAVING A LARGE NUMBER OF RON PAUL SUPPORTERS AT THE POLLS CAN GREATLY INFLUENCE THE ELECTION. If the average undecided voter drives up to a poll and sees no one but Ron Paul supporters standing around it might be enough to swing their vote.
THIS IS CRITICAL!!!
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No. "Freelance" has been following the thread and (thankfully) been making the summaries. I do know that many official campaign staffers have been following the thread (which has made me both very popular and very unpopular at HQ in Arlington, depending on the person).
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A Ron Paul ad suggestion - something along these lines:
If you meet anyone who says, "I want to vote for Ron Paul but I won't because he can't win" - tell him or her:
"That was EXACTLY the line of thinking that got us into this mess. That's exactly how George Bush came to power. Are you happy now? I'm asking you not to make the same mistake again!"
Vote for Dr. Paul!
If you meet anyone who says, "I want to vote for Ron Paul but I won't because he can't win" - tell him or her:
"That was EXACTLY the line of thinking that got us into this mess. That's exactly how George Bush came to power. Are you happy now? I'm asking you not to make the same mistake again!"
Vote for Dr. Paul!
