Lindsey Graham is America's Worst Republican - So what is Liberty For All PAC doing?

JakeH said:
It may not take quite as much to defeat Graham as everyone thinks it will. Bob Conley took 42% of the vote in 2008 as a Ron Paul supporter running as a Democrat after only spending $15K on his campaign. Graham has a large war chest, but there seems to be a sizeable number of people that want him gone.
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Yep, money isn't everything.
 
FreedomFanatic said:
Honestly, I think Graham is a pretty good Republican. He's a crappy conservative. And a crappy human being. But these days that's really the definition of a Republican, with a few important exceptions.
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Bastiat neg repped this so I should at least explain. There are a few liberty minded people in the national GOP (Probably more in the state-level GOP.) But predominately, the Republican Party is dominated by Civil Liberties hating warrhawks. Those few who are not are really either constitutionalists, libertarians, or leaning in one of those directions. Those few who do not are really just Republicans in name only. And that's a good thing.

I guess its a bit of an inversion of the normal "RINO" concept, "RINO is usually a bad thing, but considerin that the GOP is currently for endless war and crushing civil liberties... if you're going to be a Republican you really should be one only in name. Rand Paul is a Republican only in name, he's really a constitutionalist. Ron Paul is a Republican only in name, he's really a hardcore libertarian. Justin Amash is a Republican in name only, he's really a libertarian-leaning conservative, but not a Republican.

Hitler was a better Nazi than Oskar Shindler. Schildler was better at not being a racist. Schindler was better as a human being. Schindler was a better German. But Hitler was the better Nazi of the two. Hitler was the face of the Nazi movement, while Schindler was really a Nazi in name only, which was a good thing.

Obviously that's a bit of an extreme comparison. The GOP is not as bad as Hitler. But they're still bad. And so to be a "Good Republican" you too have to be bad. To be a "Good Republican" you have to be only borderline fiscal conservative and only borderline pro-second amendment while trumping the anti-civil liberties, pro-war stuff to the forefront of your platform. And in that regard, Lindsay Graham is an excellent Republican. Just like Hitler was an excellent Nazi. There is simply nothing positive in the phrase "Good Republican."

I despise Graham, just like I despise what the GOP stands for. Admittedly, sometimes the GOP is a good vehicle to be used by the liberty movement. I would never refuse to vote for someone or support them solely because they wore a Republican uniform. I care what values they support, not what uniform they wear. But seriously, think about what the GOP as a whole stands for right now. I think my statement, and my view of the GOP, is correct.
 
FreedomFanatic said:
Bastiat neg repped this so I should at least explain. There are a few liberty minded people in the national GOP (Probably more in the state-level GOP.) But predominately, the Republican Party is dominated by Civil Liberties hating warrhawks. Those few who are not are really either constitutionalists, libertarians, or leaning in one of those directions. Those few who do not are really just Republicans in name only. And that's a good thing.

I guess its a bit of an inversion of the normal "RINO" concept, "RINO is usually a bad thing, but considerin that the GOP is currently for endless war and crushing civil liberties... if you're going to be a Republican you really should be one only in name. Rand Paul is a Republican only in name, he's really a constitutionalist. Ron Paul is a Republican only in name, he's really a hardcore libertarian. Justin Amash is a Republican in name only, he's really a libertarian-leaning conservative, but not a Republican.

Hitler was a better Nazi than Oskar Shindler. Schildler was better at not being a racist. Schindler was better as a human being. Schindler was a better German. But Hitler was the better Nazi of the two. Hitler was the face of the Nazi movement, while Schindler was really a Nazi in name only, which was a good thing.

Obviously that's a bit of an extreme comparison. The GOP is not as bad as Hitler. But they're still bad. And so to be a "Good Republican" you too have to be bad. To be a "Good Republican" you have to be only borderline fiscal conservative and only borderline pro-second amendment while trumping the anti-civil liberties, pro-war stuff to the forefront of your platform. And in that regard, Lindsay Graham is an excellent Republican. Just like Hitler was an excellent Nazi. There is simply nothing positive in the phrase "Good Republican."

I despise Graham, just like I despise what the GOP stands for. Admittedly, sometimes the GOP is a good vehicle to be used by the liberty movement. I would never refuse to vote for someone or support them solely because they wore a Republican uniform. I care what values they support, not what uniform they wear. But seriously, think about what the GOP as a whole stands for right now. I think my statement, and my view of the GOP, is correct.
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QFFT!!! Murray dissected the right wing in more detail here:
[h=1][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Why Conservatives Love War and the State[/FONT][/FONT][/h]
 
FreedomFanatic said:
I despise Graham, just like I despise what the GOP stands for. Admittedly, sometimes the GOP is a good vehicle to be used by the liberty movement. I would never refuse to vote for someone or support them solely because they wore a Republican uniform. I care what values they support, not what uniform they wear. But seriously, think about what the GOP as a whole stands for right now. I think my statement, and my view of the GOP, is correct.
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Decent assessment of what it currently is but we're actively trying to change that and have had many successes in that direction in recent times all the while continue to pile on more. Rand's recent heroic status is changing the perception of what it should be to be a real republican going forward. It's basically restoring the GOP to where they during the '20s-'40s where Harding and Coolidge were responsible for the roaring '20s and anti-intervention Sen Taft was known as Mr. Republican in his opposition to Roosevelt's new deal nonsense.
 
CaptLouAlbano said:
The power to change it is in your hands. Run for committee and make a difference.
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Well, I might want to think about graduating high school first, lol

heavenlyboy34 said:
QFFT!!! Murray dissected the right wing in more detail here:
[h=1]Why Conservatives Love War and the State[/h]
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I'm not sure socialism is "In between" libertarianism and conservatism, I think they're just irrelevant to each other. Socialism is economically far left but can have any variety of opinions on social and foreign policy. Conservatives, by contrast, are slightly right on economic issues but usually authoritarian on social and foreign policy issues. The socialist who is authoritarian on social and foreign issues as well as his obvious authoritarianism on economics is more different than a conservative is from the libertarian. By contrast, the socialist who takes libertarianish positions on non-economic issues may or may not be closer to the Libertarian than the conservative depending on what trumps what.

I think Walter Block really gets down to what is the most important distinction between left and right here:

http://lewrockwell.com/block/block192.html
 
Jeremy said:
Does anyone know why Liberty For All PAC said they will fight against McConell instead of Graham? McConell is much less worse and also much harder to beat.

Look at Rand's filibuster. Mitch supported Rand and spoke during it. Lindsey attacked Rand and said the filibuster made him vote for Brennan.
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McConnell knows which way the wind is blowing, as did Newt. Graham McCain and Ayotte are hard core warmongers. and all three should be primaried (McCain is old, but his son might be set to succeed him, there has to be Goldwater that could take him on)
 
cindy25 said:
McConnell knows which way the wind is blowing, as did Newt. Graham McCain and Ayotte are hard core warmongers. and all three should be primaried (McCain is old, but his son might be set to succeed him, there has to be Goldwater that could take him on)
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Yep. In an interesting twist McCain is really living up to his Maverick label though and that makes me kind of like him a tiny tiny bit. He's sticking by his beliefs even though the entire country pretty much disagrees with him. In my book that does make him a bit better than Newt, McConnell, and all the other slime ball politicians that just follow the public consensus to make people like them. Of course now that the public opinion is blowing in our direction those slime balls are actually becoming useful, whereas it's time for McCain and Graham to get the boot.
 
Graham is a disgusting "bottom feeder" ... South Carolina hates gays ... yet they continue to re-elect a gay Senator every term .... South Carolina hates illegal immigrants... yet they continue to elect their flag carrier, Lindsey Gramansty every year.

South Carolina is a completely retarded state... They have strong views... but never vote in the fashion as their views.

Do they even vote at all? Certainly worthy of investigation, lol.
 
Lindsey had a primary in 08, and won 66-33. I don't even think it was a credible challenge. SC just needs someone to step it up.
 
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