Liberty Hosting Service

[Suzu]

Interesting. So what recent contributions have you made with your server? Are there any specific projects you need this for?

Several sites have remained active since the '08 campaign season. There are are no new sites specifically lined up at the moment, but the space and bandwidth are available to any who need it, and I am sure there will be many who make use of it over the next few years. I think I will give it up after that, because it really is an awful lot of work and my time is very short, funds are shorter still.

 

[Jeremy]

I just don't see the point tbh. We've had multiple sites since 2008, none of which were hosted by you.

Maybe if you had specific websites in mind, there would be a specific reason to donate.

 

[Suzu]

I just don't see the point tbh. We've had multiple sites since 2008, none of which were hosted by you.

Maybe if you had specific websites in mind, there would be a specific reason to donate.

I suppose we ought to just forget the whole thing, then, since *you* never used this service in the past.

Thanks for your input

 

[brandon]

I just don't see the point tbh.

Same. Hosting is dirt cheap from companies like godaddy. I don't see why someone wouldn't just buy straight from them. What is the benefit of a middle man?

 

[Suzu]

What liberty websites will you be hosting immediately after you renew?

Sorry for missing this post, I admit I've had you blocked for a while.

I still have RonPaulRiders.com, LibertyStrawPoll.com, C4Liberty.com and PaulsParachute.com active. Any others who want to sign on will be welcome, now and for however long I am able to keep the service going.

Not looking too hopeful at this point, though ;(

 

[Suzu]

Same. Hosting is dirt cheap from companies like godaddy. I don't see why someone wouldn't just buy straight from them. What is the benefit of a middle man?

Have you ever *used* godaddy for hosting? I've heard more than a few horror stories about them.

Dirt-cheap for some is more than others can afford. Hence the "free" option.

Also, why spend money on hosting if you don't have to? The money can be sent to worthy candidates, instead.

 

[MRoCkEd]

Cool.. So, where are you buying this? And is there any reason to do this now considering you do not know any sites that need hosting at this point?

 

[Jeremy]

Same. Hosting is dirt cheap from companies like godaddy. I don't see why someone wouldn't just buy straight from them. What is the benefit of a middle man?

Well don't use GoDaddy lol.

 

[newbitech]

what are the server and plan specs? Reading through the thread, I am not sure if you are getting a dedicated server or not. Dedicated IP is no longer required for SSL. Other than that, the benefits of dedicated IP listed in the OP aren't all that great to be paying more.

Also, doing the math, it sounds like a standard hosting plan to me. Who is the host? The only reason I can see needing SSL for practical purposes is to run a merchant account for ecommerce.

I like the idea of liberty hosting, but I'd need to justify sending money to a company that is not directly endorsing the concept.

So I'd be willing to chip in if I can have those questions answered.

FWIW, I can get 1 year of unlimited hosting and shell access for $10 for the year. No the SSL is not free, and its shared, but for grassroots campaigning on site that will end up being recycled, I don't see a need for dedicated anything.

Your deal sounds good for the price if it is truly dedicated. Actually it kind of sounds unbelievable because 300 for 36 months comes out to less than $10 a month. I'd love to know where I can have dedicated hosting that cheap! Its basically a steal!

Anyways, I digress! Tech people need tech specs~!

 

[Indy Vidual]

I've been using the current service for the last 5 years...

Prices have fallen dramatically in the last 5 years, for all types of hosting.
Your intentions, effort, and quality of service are probably all way above average. The fact remains, raising well over $200 for any type of shared hosting simply might not be a good idea in 2010 and beyond.

ps.
VPS's with a full 1Gig of RAM for only $10/ month do exist (you are correct the CPU is still 'shared')
Managed options cost more, however my price range quoted was highly accurate.

$$
Bargains Galore
Shared hosting is so cheap, there could be 10,15 or 20 Liberty Hosting Services.

• Why have one single point-of-failure and one single target for hackers?

 

[brandon]

Have you ever *used* godaddy for hosting? I've heard more than a few horror stories about them.

Yep for the past 2 years. It costs me $4.99/month and I have never had a problem.

Also, why spend money on hosting if you don't have to? The money can be sent to worthy candidates, instead.

Oh the irony

 

[FunkBuddha]

Just thinking out loud here.

Assuming the release of Diaspora is coming up in a few months or so (maybe). What if we had a BHS (Big Honkin' Server) that was partitioned using KVM and reserved one VM for Diaspora seed hosting at say $10 per year and leave the rest of the server resources available for VPSes.

For around $250.00 a month you can purchase 1U of rackspace with 100GB (not sure if this would be enough) per month of data transfer or $3000 per year. Add a /27 (30 ip addresses) onto that for about $40 per month or $480 per year.

I don't know what the server would cost, maybe around $3000-$4000 with 4x 750GB 2.5" drives, a couple of quad cores and oodles of RAM.

The software to do this is all freely available.

Or we could rent a dedicated server like this with bandwidth for around $6k per year.
LINK

Of course this would only be sustainable if we had at least 600 Diaspora customers but maybe if people knew that their contribution was helping to provide services for the liberty community it would be more appealing.

Again, I'm thinking out loud here. I think the original premise of the post is a good idea. It just seems pricey for what you're getting. My VPS costs me $3.50 a month for 128MB of RAM and 1TB per month of transfer.

 

[Indy Vidual]

...Or we could rent a dedicated server like this with bandwidth for around $6k per year.
LINK...

32 GB RAM = Wow = High price
~4 GB RAM (for example) = ~$140/month (or less), including bandwidth = ~$1,680/year

Still has one single point-of-failure and one single attack point for hackers.

 

[FunkBuddha]

32 GB RAM = Wow = High price
~4 GB RAM (for example) = ~$140/month (or less), including bandwidth = ~$1,680/year

Still has one single point-of-failure and one single attack point for hackers.

I'm not a web guru. I don't know what kinds of resources would be necessary to do what I'm talking out.

For the host though, we can lock it down tighter than a drum. We would still have to worry about (D)DOS though with one pipe. Single point-of-failure is the major issue in my mind. I don't know if any of the co-location facilities provide any sort of out-of-band backup plan or not. I'll have to do more research.

I just wanted to throw this out there. There may be a better way. This whole plan depends on Diaspora taking off as well which is iffy to say the least.

 

[Suzu]

VPS's with a full 1Gig of RAM for only $10/ month do exist (you are correct the CPU is still 'shared')
Managed options cost more, however my price range quoted was highly accurate.

From the investigation I've done, yeah, for around $10/month you can get root access to a shared server, possibly with an OS installed. But that's all. Everything else that's normally included with a typical hosting account costs extra. Or if you wanna spend all your time on it, you can do everything yourself.

 

[Suzu]

Prices have fallen dramatically in the last 5 years, for all types of hosting.
Your intentions, effort, and quality of service are probably all way above average. The fact remains, raising well over $200 for any type of shared hosting simply might not be a good idea in 2010 and beyond.

You are, of course, aware that the $250 is for three years of service, right?

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

...

Not looking too hopeful at this point, though ;(

Don't get discouraged, there is still time and I have been to busy on the ground here to do much...

I just don't see the point tbh. We've had multiple sites since 2008, none of which were hosted by you.

Maybe if you had specific websites in mind, there would be a specific reason to donate.

I don't know who this "we" is you mention, but Suzu has hosted multiple RP sites that I have either owned outright, or helped out on. IIRC correctly, Suzu also helped Chris Rye rebuild the "ForLibertyMovie" site (even though it is hosted elsewhere).

I see this as building infrastructure for 2012. I can think of two sites we will be needing to build for next summer. Suzu has always offered to help and her services have been underutilized.

I have edited the OP to clear up my confusuion on the differences between a dedicated IP and a dedicated server. Again, I am not a tech person so my apologies for the confusion.

ONWARD!

 

[Suzu]

Yep for the past 2 years. It costs me $4.99/month and I have never had a problem.

If you had used my hosting, you wouldn't have had to spend that 24x4.99=$119.76.

 

[Suzu]

Cool.. So, where are you buying this? And is there any reason to do this now considering you do not know any sites that need hosting at this point?

I've used this service for the last five years, it has about a bunch of sites on it right now and the capacity for many, many more. Nothing brand new in the pipeline at the moment, but the bill is coming due shortly. The company is Hostmonster. They have a special deal for new customers, a reduced rate for the first year. I recommend them highly and if anyone wants to sign up and pay for an account, you can do what I'm doing, but please use the following link so I can get some referral credit:

http://www.hostmonster.com/track/suzu

Thanks!

 

[brandon]

If you had used my hosting, you wouldn't have had to spend that 24x4.99=$119.76.

Would I have been able to have a top level domain? You only have 1 IP address, right?