Liberty for All Super PAC buying $375K in ads for Jeff Flake

[tbone717]

I don't think so. These guys are not going to send someone 400K without looking at his voting record.

IMO there are 2 possible explanations.


A. They felt like his voting record and ability to retain the seat for a long period of time (if he wins this election of course) is good enough to make a big investment now for a possible 20-30 year senate run.

B. Someone earmarked 400K to go to his reelection. It is possible that someone talked to John and said something like.... I'll donate 500K if, in return, you make sure that 400K goes directly to Jeff Flake.

My guess is A, but regardless I am happy to see organizations making some major contributions to candidates that can be a strong ally to Rand in the Senate.

 

[juleswin]

Flake is like a fiscal conservative neocon. He is a true believer in the war on terror and believes that money and restriction of individual liberties are to be sacrificed to save American lives hence the reason why he supports NDAA, patriot act, Iran war sanctions, ME wars etc etc. On the other hand, he supports a limited domestic govt and tries to limit domestic spending. The problem is that you got to be right on both or else you are just a regular republican not a liberty candidate.

A liberty candidate should support economic liberty and civil liberties.

 

[Adrock]

I sure wouldn't belong to a group or give money to a pac that might spend resources on him, no. Would I say 'that was a good vote'? Sure. But, imho, we need to HEAVILY support ACTUAL liberty candidates. There are plenty of MIC candidates who get plenty of funding elsewhere.

Agreed. I know people will support who they want, but I would add that it would be prudent to focus on liberty candidates who are also electable, in electable districts. There is a big difference between the Thomas Massie and John Dennis race. I am for upgrading candidates where ever possible. I have no problem voting for Flake because he is with us on 80% of the issues, has bucked the party establishment in the past, and is at least not hostile to the idea of liberty. He is a good upgrade over Kyl, but if there was someone better I would support them. We need to be ready to field and support candidates next election cycle when retirements come up. That is the best chance we have of changing the culture quickly.

 

[sailingaway]

Agreed. I know people will support who they want, but I would add that it would be prudent to focus on liberty candidates who are also electable, in electable districts. There is a big difference between the Thomas Massie and John Dennis race. I am for upgrading candidates where ever possible. I have no problem voting for Flake because he is with us on 80% of the issues, has bucked the party establishment in the past, and is at least not hostile to the idea of liberty. He is a good upgrade over Kyl, but if there was someone better I would support them. We need to be ready to field and support candidates next election cycle when retirements come up. That is the best chance we have of changing the culture quickly.

I wouldn't support him finanacially, given his record. There is plenty of corporate crony money to support him as an incumbant. In my personal opinion, for the liberty movement to make a DIFFERENCE we need to concentrate financial support on actual liberty candidates, and he is not one. I would vote for him as an upgrade, but with limited resources, I would think actual liberty organizations would be spending their money on actual liberty candidates. To me, if this were a HABITUAL sort of support (as opposed to a 'one off' in the first year of operation while they are learning candidates) this would be a red flag that this is a cooption type of organization, to label non liberty candidates as liberty candidates and to claim success when the falsely labeled NON liberty candidates win.

 

[Adrock]

I wouldn't support him finanacially, given his record. There is plenty of corporate crony money to support him as an incumbant. In my personal opinion, for the liberty movement to make a DIFFERENCE we need to concentrate financial support on actual liberty candidates, and he is not one. I would vote for him as an upgrade, but with limited resources, I would think actual liberty organizations would be spending their money on actual liberty candidates. To me, if this were a HABITUAL sort of support (as opposed to a 'one off' in the first year of operation while they are learning candidates) this would be a red flag that this is a cooption type of organization, to label non liberty candidates as liberty candidates and to claim success when the falsely labeled NON liberty candidates win.

Yes that would be ideal and something to strive for. I guess it is ultimately up to the people who contribute to the PAC on if they feel the funds are being spent well. If they don't feel that way, they will not continue to donate. All I know is that I appreciate them helping to elect two liberty candidates, and one that is a clear upgrade.

 

[tsai3904]

Flake is like a fiscal conservative neocon. He is a true believer in the war on terror and believes that money and restriction of individual liberties are to be sacrificed to save American lives hence the reason why he supports NDAA, patriot act, Iran war sanctions, ME wars etc etc.

Actually, Flake was always strongly opposed to sanctions, even to Iran.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll105.xml
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll772.xml
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll776.xml
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll975.xml
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll219.xml
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll394.xml

It's just now that he's up for the Senate election, he's voting for sanctions.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll927.xml

 

[AJ Antimony]

I wouldn't support him finanacially, given his record. There is plenty of corporate crony money to support him as an incumbant. In my personal opinion, for the liberty movement to make a DIFFERENCE we need to concentrate financial support on actual liberty candidates, and he is not one. I would vote for him as an upgrade, but with limited resources, I would think actual liberty organizations would be spending their money on actual liberty candidates. To me, if this were a HABITUAL sort of support (as opposed to a 'one off' in the first year of operation while they are learning candidates) this would be a red flag that this is a cooption type of organization, to label non liberty candidates as liberty candidates and to claim success when the falsely labeled NON liberty candidates win.

Actual liberty candidates? Such as... who exactly? According to this thread, at this point in the primary season, of all our 5-star purity U.S. House candidates, only four are in a position to win in safe GOP districts. The other 5-star candidates are either 3rd party candidates, independents, or Republicans running in solid blue districts. Of all our 5-star purity U.S. Senate candidates in a position to win in safe GOP states... oh wait, he have none!

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Flake is very good on issues where most are wrong.

However, I wish they would have spent some money in the Texas races.