General Libertarians In Swing States: Can we risk 4 more Obama years by voting for Johnson?

[LibertyPA]

You will do as you will. Republicans have, for years and years and years, voted Republican to overturn Roe v. Wade. Yet even when the Republicans have had the chance (and there have been times when they won control of both Congress and the White House--they haven't done it.

They've got you, too, all caught up in this divide and conquer strategy. And what will it get you? Hope that Obamacare will be nipped in the bud? By the guy who invented it? Sounds good, but how much are you willing to bet on that? I know he made state choice noises about it, but I haven't seen a law repealed in my lifetime, and if he never gets the repeal from the Congress, he has cover. Doesn't he? Besides, he was all about his own version of Obamacare before we made enough headway to convince him to flip flop on that subject. Like many other subjects...

Why vote Johnson? I've been saying for years and years that getting rid of the current two party duopoly is just a matter of getting enough people on board that people will see the growing numbers and realize the simple fact that all it takes for us to vote someone else in is to vote for someone else. And a bit more momentum could get us to the tipping point. What favors have the Demopublicans and Republicrats done for you lately that they deserve your continued patronage?

The Republican Party hasn't been with us forever. They began their ascent about 1850. And now that they're indistinguishable from the Democrats (and they really, really are) it's time for them to go out the same way they came in.

Oh, and by the way: A vote for Johnson is a vote for Johnson. It's really simple how that works.

Okay, yes, my vote for Romney is because he is not Obama.
If Obama wins, then I know Obamacare will stand and I know more socialist programs will be added and grow.
If Romney wins, you may be right, but you may be wrong....it could be very likely but it is not as much of a "lock" as Obama.

I do agree with your point about 2 parties not wanting a 3rd....they both lose if a 3rd party becomes a large foot hold in this country's elections....best of all, we ALL Win if that happens!! But you are doing the same thing here as you say not to do with romney. Romney is NOT Obama and that is a reason to vote for him (for me), and Johnson is NOT (R) or (D) and that is why you are voting for him....but that isn't enough to sway me this year. This isn't an election vs Clinton, this is against Obama -- and again as I pointed out earlier, why is Johnson not running for Congress to make more of these changes, rather than the white house where he wont be able to do as much to help this country change?

 

[georgiaboy]

I'm not asking you to vote for either.
I'm asking why you aren't doing all you can to keep Obama and his agenda out of the white house for 4 more years?!?

Lou, non-swing state here, pretty much red no matter what lever I pull, but here's my take:

Obama and his agenda == Romney and his agenda. Neither have a record of small government.

Romney will say anything to get elected. What has he done, though? Romneycare, gun-banning, governed Taxachusetts, of "Big Dig" fame, and the most notable flip-flopper.

And if you do believe Romney's campaign speeches, he's gonna keep government right on growing, keep the overseas intervention going, keep printing money, keep cranking up the debt, and keep gov't run healthcare.

Does any self-respecting conservative really need to go on? It's embarrassing really to even have to talk about it.

During the primaries, everyone knew that Romney was the closest candidate to Obama of everyone on that GOP stage. Guess what? He still is.

Why do conservatives even need to discuss whether it matters which of these two gets the oval office? We don't have a dog in the hunt. It's like asking why we don't want to choose vanilla over strawberry, when what we really need is steak.

 

[TheGrinch]

Man, this guy is more dense than a jehovahs witness. This is just getting sad.

 

[Agorism]

That's funny.

I actually prefer Obama to Romney. Obama won't start another dumb war.





That being said, I don't bother to advocate for Obama since I have no intention of voting for him.

 

[LibertyPA]

Bone up on your history. The way the founding fathers did things was with principle and passion.

This was related to how people were personally attacking me for asking a question and asking for a civil debate.
I introduced myself, I shared my views, I asked questions and asked people to share their opinions if they wanted to join -- and the first few pages are filled with people making comments and personally coming after me. Taht was the reason for this post. Though the founders had passion, I'm sure they wouldnt instantly attack and accuse a new person with being part of a conspiracy theory without first talking with them, or at last taking a moment to intoduce their points.

 

[georgiaboy]

By the way, I wish the swing state conservative voters could see things the way most of us see them here on the forums.

If those conservatives realized that they had the power to show the GOP that we won't stand for dem-lite candidates any more, they could leave their ballot blank, pick a third party they were comfortable with, or write-in their favorite conservative.

That might actually get some attention and help us all change things for the better.

This 'lesser of two evils', 'Anyone but Obama' crap is just that. Same game every time, and the GOP knows it. Gotta break out from that endless spiral downward.

C'mon, Lou, if you are a conservative, find your heart and conscience, and vote like one. Don't settle for Democrat-lite. There's too much at stake, and your future generations will thank you for it.

 

[Agorism]

Best part about this election is we won't have to hear from the Romney trolls anymore if Obama does manage to win. I think he'll do better than McCain but not much better.

 

[LibertyPA]

You could probably say that Romney has more of a track record of proven success in a lot of things.

But when both of their objectives are to subjugate you and me, would we rather the person trying to do that be someone with a record of success or someone with a record of failure?

Obama's record is pure failure and an easy way to prove that is because he hasn't said a word about his record (at least not a true word) all year

 

[LibertyPA]

Why did you register on these forums again?

Is this closed to people with questions?

 

[Agorism]

Obama's record is pure failure and an easy way to prove that is because he hasn't said a word about his record (at least not a true word) all year

Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama were a failure.

 

[LibertyPA]

To attempt to get us to vote for his guy, apparently. Especially if you're in a swing state. Honestly, I've seen enough dirty tricks from the GOP to make me question whether Romney is the lesser of two evils. Based on the number of Republican drones trying to get me to change my vote, I doubt it.

This is starting to get a bit scary....when people question your points or ask questions in general -- you instantly assume its some consiracy theory. I'm sorry you live such a paranoid life, but I am simply a person coming here to ask question and hope to get answers. Not a hidden spy trying to secretly corrupt you after I fully admit my way of leaning my vote to romney this year. Haha...Are you this good at cracking all of the 3rd grade puzzles you attempt? LOL

 

[LibertyPA]

So what do you suggest we do to keep Obama out of the White House?

That is why I am here.
And so far, all I can think of is a vote for Romney -- that is the best and most sure fire way to keep Obama out of the white house.

Though I wouldn't be here if things were that simple. Clearly this is something I struggle with, giving a vote to a person I don't agree much with - but again I want to be clear that keeping Obama out of office is a big deal, and I do wonder why it isn't as big of a deal to you.
Thanks Dr3D

 

[Agorism]

http://www.intrade.com/v4/home/

Intrade is saying Romney is losing. The Romney trolls are beginning to panic

 

[LibertyPA]

I don't really care which idiot wins and my mind is made up I am voting for GJ.

any reasons for that vote?

 

[Dr.3D]

any reasons for that vote?

I would guess, because the other two are the same and GJ is different.
That's why I'm voting for Ron Paul.

 

[LibertyPA]

BTW- There is a an outside chance Ron Paul would want to run again in 2016, and electing Romney would certainly hurt his chances if he had to run against an incumbent republican. In that sense, helping Romney would be a vote against Ron or Rand in 2016.

Oh my -- there is no way of knowing if this will happen or not and yet you are making a vote on this election to hope Obama wins just so you may have someone else run. Aside from that being unlikely, it is equally as unlikely that Romney will run for 1 term and then choose not to run again --- so why dont you vote that way. lol

 

[LibertyPA]

I live in the swing state of Florida and I am voting for GJ. I understand that no matter how close the election is here, my tiny insignificant vote has zero chance of denying Obama a 2nd term. It will not be a tiebreaker swing vote that by itself causes Obama to lose the election.

Every Vote counts -- if you dont think so, then sit home and dont vote.
but if you are placing a vote, then it's clear you think (and know) your vote means something.
I think you should take back this last statement.

 

[LibertyPA]

Who has proof they are trying to get a nuke?

A good point I guess, all that is being reported is that they have potions that could turn into a nuke......is it worth the risk of them having/getting/using them? Since you support the cutting down of our military, should we also cut out the research on defending against them shooting one at us in a decade or so?

 

[Agorism]

Oh my -- there is no way of knowing if this will happen or not and yet you are making a vote on this election to hope Obama wins just so you may have someone else run. Aside from that being unlikely, it is equally as unlikely that Romney will run for 1 term and then choose not to run again --- so why dont you vote that way. lol

If Ron Paul has a 1% chance of running in 2016, those odds still sound pretty good to me.

BTW- I have no problem with Ron Paul write in's. If those votes don't get counted o well. It's the point of it. This election is essentially a futile and meaningless event since the election ended in the primary and not the general. The only point now is to just vote for the same candidate again in the general.

 

[Dr.3D]

A good point I guess, all that is being reported is that they have potions that could turn into a nuke......is it worth the risk of them having/getting/using them? Since you support the cutting down of our military, should we also cut out the research on defending against them shooting one at us in a decade or so?

If they ever did that, they know it would be suicide. What kept Russia or China from doing that?