General Libertarians In Swing States: Can we risk 4 more Obama years by voting for Johnson?

and yet he still wants to offer some freedoms

Maybe we should want all our freedoms?????? Romney amd Obama are not very different except for one thing. Obama can only be in office for 4 years. Put Romney in we get 8 years of gov. healthcare, wars, and loss of liberty.
 
But thank you again for sharing this -- it was a big isssue for me and this is very upsetting and making me question my future vote even more than i thought.

The more you look, the worse it gets...



You can't believe anything he says - he has no credibility, no spine, no core, no guts or principles - which leads to the question: who's lackey is he?
 
Why did you register on these forums again?

To attempt to get us to vote for his guy, apparently. Especially if you're in a swing state. Honestly, I've seen enough dirty tricks from the GOP to make me question whether Romney is the lesser of two evils. Based on the number of Republican drones trying to get me to change my vote, I doubt it.
 
3 deceades as you acrue interest on 15 trillion, plus increases in military spending and other debts? That's like saying I'd rather chop off my arm than my nuts.

And I don't have to list the reasons I don't like Obama. I'm not voting for him either, nor are you asking me to.

I'm not asking you to vote for either.
I'm asking why you aren't doing all you can to keep Obama and his agenda out of the white house for 4 more years?!?
 
I'm not asking you to vote for either.
I'm asking why you aren't doing all you can to keep Obama and his agenda out of the white house for 4 more years?!?
So what do you suggest we do to keep Obama out of the White House?
 
Ok, let's assume you are interested in the truth.

Romney believes in Keynesian economics when it comes to his pet projects. Military spending creates jobs. That is 100% false. You have to take the money out of the economy before you can put it back into the economy. Then, when you expend the artillery, the wealth is further destroyed.

He pretends to understand this for entitlement issues, but he's really the same as Obama. He has no sense of freedom. You said he would offer us some freedoms - that doesn't compute. If there's someone deciding which "freedoms" you are allowed to have, you aren't free. What he's really talking about are privileges. We don't want more government privileges - we want freedom.

Obama? Romney? Bush? Doesn't matter. They are all part of the problem. They don't have an understanding of what liberty is.

First I want to thank you for breaking this down a bit.
I am still ABO (anyone but obama)....but you've captured my attention and my ears are open.

Your point about military spending a good one....every bullet we spend money on and use is money "lost" -- okay good point!
Also the "government granted privileges" --- another good point, but is that true with all of his issues on the economy? I am not sure about the Keynesian economics = Romney Economics, but I am willing to listen to you explain more. Isn't Keynesian similar to what was seen with The New Deal?? I am not sure how FDR and Romney relate on the economy. Obama and FRD relate though.
So again, you've got my attention, and if you'd care to spend more time making posts here....I'd enjoy hearing more from you Capt USA -- thanks!!!

just one more thing, you listed Obama, Romney and Bush....who's the most recent POTUS that lead the country in the way you agree with?
thanks!
 
As a Republican in a swing state, I cannot conscience a vote for either a lethal dose of arsenic or a lethal dose of cyanide. Both leave you just as dead in the end. If your loyalty is either to conservative ideals or to the Republican Party, you will do well to give some thought to the fact that QE3 will implode the economy by December of 2014 no matter who is elected, because neither candidate will do anything about the Federal Reserve, and whomever is in the Oval Office when that happens will get the blame for 'their philosophy' destroying America. If red elephants preside over the destruction of America, you can be assured that blue jackasses will be in charge of the rebuilding effort, and just imagine how that is going to go.

I am not loyal to either party -- which may in part explain why i am taking time to write on this forum and ask questions.
you are correct about neither person doing anything about the Fed.

though, is there no thought that Romney will push to cut Govt Spending....even if he spends more on some parts (ex military), that he will cut in other areas? and look to make some items such a S.S. private rather than the way our system now works? I do agree, Romney is not a conservative (though not all republicans are conservatives), he wants to spend money and grow the goverment, it just doesnt sound like he wants to grow it as large and as fast as Obama. So without looking and hoping about what may or may not happen in 2016 -- if those are the two likely options of the two, I'd rather the slow death with Romney over the quick death with Obama.
And I would like to hear from you, if you'd care to share -- why vote 3rd party...to make a point? to take a stand? because you like Gary Johnson's views on the issues? Just curious. Thanks. and if you are a marine, thank you for your service!!
 
You're still thinking there's a choice between two ideologies. There isn't. Did you watch the last debate?! The only thing they disagreed about was who was going to administer the exact same foreign policy.

There is no choice here. Don't let the parties fool you.

Reminded me of Gore vs. Bush in one of their debates. Every answer from Gore was "I agree, and...." i was shaking my head then and was shaking it in the 3rd debate here. I am not suggesting there is much difference. I know that either party wants to grow, make the goverment larger, and get more power. It just depends if they spend on Military (R) or Social Programs (D), but the money is being spent and goverment is growing -- i get that. And the way you put it last time, "privileges", you are right, I would rather freedom! But that isn't an option we have in 2012...we have an option of more privileges or less....my thoughts on voting Romney was to side with the "more".
 
I don't really care which idiot wins and my mind is made up I am voting for GJ.
 
Hello Lau, thanks for taking the time to come chat. I wish more folks were as open to discussion as you.

As a registered Republican in OH, I will try to shed some light on why I will likely vote for Gary Johnson. In short, because he earned it. How does Mitt Romney earn a vote? Well, he's not Obama primarily.

In other words, let's say you dedicated every day of your life for years to the business of being elected to a political office. Raising money, campaigning almost every day, writing articles, working on a book, tv/radio interviews, etc. Every where you go, people love your message and thank you for your dedication to public service. It's a den of vipers and you're risking your livelihood to protect your fellow citizens. At the end of 1 - 2 year campaign, wouldn't you just feel crushed if people that loved your message decided not to vote for you because you were not likely to win? To add insult to injury, you hear this same thing from thousands and thousands of people. Yet, if all the people that said that actually ended up voting for you, you would win!

I like Gary Johnson, and I would like to encourage him and others like him to try again in the future. My statistically meaningless vote (even in OH) is my way of saying Thank You.


Thank you so much for the kind and welcoming words!! GREAT to hear from you!!!!!!

And as for your point about Gary Johnson winning if everyone voted for him who liked him, I'm not sure I agree with that -- sadly I fear this country, as a whole, would rather the government get big and take care of them. I hope it isnt true, but that is just a feeling I get. I wish you were right and it is a great thought, something I would hope to be true too, but sadly I'm not sure thats true today.
But -- that wasn't your point. Back to your point, I agree the vote is a nice way to not only thank him but support him too. And he is trying to make changes, this is your way of supporting the change he wants to see in the country. But he doesn't have the power to make many of the changes he wants anyway, wouldnt he be better off running for congress and passing bills? Unless he acts like Obama, Bush, etc, and just makes up his own powers (which I'm guessing he wotn -- he will follow the constitution and limit his own powers), he won't be able to very much to make the changes......so why he is not running for congress to help others like Paul?

I went off on a few tangents, but back to your earlier point, you are 100% correct to say that if I vote for Romney it is for ONE reason, he is not Obama. And while your words were nice, I'm not sure you swayed me to vote for G.J. just because he "tried". Care to talk a bit more about why you like him?
And again - thanks for being so polite!
 
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BTW- There is a an outside chance Ron Paul would want to run again in 2016, and electing Romney would certainly hurt his chances if he had to run against an incumbent republican. In that sense, helping Romney would be a vote against Ron or Rand in 2016.
 
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I'll be honest: I'm not a huge fan of Gary Johnson.

But I do think this chart does a pretty good job of summing up the differences between Romney and Obama:

A nice chart....a question about it: Romney is Anti-guns????
And about the Iran point, do people here really think being peaceful and asking nicely will stop them from getting and using a Nuke?!

Also on Same Sex Marriage, why is this part of a federal issue????
being married and taxes should not be related and each state should let people marry as they choose.

thank you for the chart - it was nice to read, and putting things side by side did make your case for GJ a strong case!
 
Reading it, I understand your point. But are you saying you either have freedom or you dont? Let me say it this way, Obama wants a larger goverment and more control over your life than Romney - and a vote for G.J. is a vote for Larger Government Obama.

I live in the swing state of Florida and I am voting for GJ. I understand that no matter how close the election is here, my tiny insignificant vote has zero chance of denying Obama a 2nd term. It will not be a tiebreaker swing vote that by itself causes Obama to lose the election.
 
A nice chart....a question about it: Romney is Anti-guns????
And about the Iran point, do people here really think being peaceful and asking nicely will stop them from getting and using a Nuke?!

Also on Same Sex Marriage, why is this part of a federal issue????
being married and taxes should not be related and each state should let people marry as they choose.

thank you for the chart - it was nice to read, and putting things side by side did make your case for GJ a strong case!
Who has proof they are trying to get a nuke?
 
A nice chart....a question about it: Romney is Anti-guns????
And about the Iran point, do people here really think being peaceful and asking nicely will stop them from getting and using a Nuke?!

Also on Same Sex Marriage, why is this part of a federal issue????
being married and taxes should not be related and each state should let people marry as they choose.

thank you for the chart - it was nice to read, and putting things side by side did make your case for GJ a strong case!

I don't think we should have a standing army. I also think we should have transparent government meaning it shouldn't have classified information.
 
A nice chart....a question about it: Romney is Anti-guns????
And about the Iran point, do people here really think being peaceful and asking nicely will stop them from getting and using a Nuke?!

Also on Same Sex Marriage, why is this part of a federal issue????
being married and taxes should not be related and each state should let people marry as they choose.

thank you for the chart - it was nice to read, and putting things side by side did make your case for GJ a strong case!

Israel has 300 nukes.

Iran is not even trying to get them and is a member of the nonproliferation treaty.

Israel refuses to sign, and won't allow inspectors in.
 
BTW- There is a an outside chance Ron Paul would want to run again in 2016, and electing Romney would certainly hurt his chances if he had to run against an incumbent republican. In that sense, helping Romney would be a vote against Ron or Rand in 2016.

You forgot that the economic collapse Dr. Paul has been predicting should have arrived by then....and it will be blamed on Romney opening the door for Rand or Ron to run in 2016.
 
You forgot that the economic collapse Dr. Paul has been predicting should have arrived by then....and it will be blamed on Romney opening the door for Rand or Ron to run in 2016.

IDK, there is still lots of stuff the federal reserve can buy up including the private market. We can buy up parts of Europe if needed too.

It's a one way train.
 
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