General Libertarians In Swing States: Can we risk 4 more Obama years by voting for Johnson?

[LibertyPA]

And replacing it with Romney Care..... Nope... nowhere in the constitution is there any authorization for national healthcare.

One person (Obama) wants to keep Obama Care
and one person (Romney) doesn't want Obama Care (also he explained he doesnt want Romney Care for the Fed either)

and so there is one difference for you - one wants to follow the constituion when it comes to national health care and the other doesnt. That is an issue you care nothing about and want to elect the person who chooses not to follow his constitutional power?

 

[Dr.3D]

I think people have just worked through this many many many times and have come to the conclusion the biggest difference between Romney and Obama is that Obama would only have four more years.

Yep, we are tired of picking the lesser of two evils.

 

[CaptUSA]

difference

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

 

[LibertyPA]

How exactly does a president do such a thing?

Correct, congress must over turn this. But with Obama in the white house - he can veto it and destroy the work congress does. Romney has the chance (if he decides to go through with it) to NOT veto such bills to get rid of Obama Care.

That's why it's important to have Obama out of the White House, but it's also clear that congress needs to get this done!

 

[Dr.3D]

One person (Obama) wants to keep Obama Care
and one person (Romney) doesn't want Obama Care (also he explained he doesnt want Romney Care for the Fed either)

and so there is one difference for you - one wants to follow the constituion when it comes to national health care and the other doesnt. That is an issue you care nothing about and want to elect the person who chooses not to follow his constitutional power?

Doesn't matter what he wants to call it, it's still national health care that is unconstitutional.

 

[LibertyPA]

Yep, we are tired of picking the lesser of two evils.

you picked one heck of a time to start taking a stand -- Has any president grown the goverment larger and faster than Obama in his first term?? And you want to see what he does in a second term?

 

[specsaregood]

Correct, congress must over turn this. But with Obama in the white house - he can veto it and destroy the work congress does. Romney has the chance (if he decides to go through with it) to NOT veto such bills to get rid of Obama Care.

That's why it's important to have Obama out of the White House, but it's also clear that congress needs to get this done!

You are delusional if you think either the congress or the president is going to get rid of rombamacare.

 

[Dr.3D]

you picked one heck of a time to start taking a stand -- Has any president grown the goverment larger and faster than Obama in his first term?? And you want to see what he does in a second term?

I sure as hell don't want to see what Romney does in his first term.

 

[LibertyPA]

Doesn't matter what he wants to call it, it's still national health care that is unconstitutional.

Haha....how is Romney Care = National Health Care?

Only one of these two people have a national health care bill and that is the one you are expecting to elect with your vote.

 

[LibertyPA]

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Can you please talk more about your points - you sound like you have something to say of value and I would enjoy hearing about it. Please try not to make this about your vote and not about my personal word choices. But, I do welcome hearing you write a few things Capt USA - we are both in PA, please tell me why you think I should change my "Romney Lean" to a "Johnson Vote" .... I would be curious to hear about it if you have the time, thank you!

 

[Dr.3D]

Haha....how is Romney Care = National Health Care?

Only one of these two people have a national health care bill and that is the one you are expecting to elect with your vote.

The son of a bitch said he was going to repeal Obamacare and replace it with his own. He would have had me more interested if he had just stopped with repealing Obamacare, when he continued with replacing it.... that was it for me.

 

[LibertyPA]

I think people have just worked through this many many many times and have come to the conclusion the biggest difference between Romney and Obama is that Obama would only have four more years. That if Romney is better, it is by such a slim hair still way in the wrong direction, that the half duration less makes up for it. Personally, I refuse to legitimize either with my vote.\

Okay, that is a point to be made. 4 years is less than 8 years. But wouldn't it be best to work on Romney getting 4 years and then vote for the 3rd party in 4 years - thus electing the 3rd party or make Romney One-Term and make a point to those on the Right that they must pick someone Libertarians like if they want the election in the future?

 

[specsaregood]

The son of a bitch said he was going to repeal Obamacare and replace it with his own. He would have had me more interested if he had just stopped with repealing Obamacare, when he continued with replacing it.... that was it for me.

He lost me with "you talk to your lawyers" lol.

 

[LibertyPA]

The son of a bitch said he was going to repeal Obamacare and replace it with his own. He would have had me more interested if he had just stopped with repealing Obamacare, when he continued with replacing it.... that was it for me.

If he said this, I didn't realize it.
As i said, I am not a republican, so I did not follow all of his words, but in the debates I watched I remember him saying his job on day 1 was to repeal Obama Care -- and I never once remember him saying he wanted to replace it with anything. Did he say this in one of the debates? I would like to see/read this if you have a copy or can find it -- i will search for it too....but I am not sure this is his plan.

I would ask though -- how can he replace it with anything? he doesnt have that power. he only has the power to "Not Veto" a bill that is passed to repeal Obama Care.

 

[raystone]

First, please let me introduce myself, I am Lou from PA and I own a small business. Married with a wife and young child.

I live in Pennsylvania and while I am not officially part of the Libertarian Party, I do agree with Libertarians on more issues than any other party. PA isn't quite a swing state, but some reports say it may be closer than Obama may like to see. While being on this forum I have read posts from people in non-swing states (such as New York or Texas) talk about voting for Gary Johnson. And some some people listed reasons such as, increasing the popular vote for G.J. and yet not swinging any Elect. College votes for the D or R.

My question is specific to people in states that are swing states. This is partly because I am not fully decided, though in the past couple weeks I am leaning for Romney. The reason for my vote is because I think Obama is as far from a Libertarian as one could possibly elect. Romney is a bad choice, a very bad choice, and yet he still wants to offer some freedoms, he does believe in a free market for our economey, or at least more of a free market than Obama. I have my doubts about Romney overturning Obama care, but there is at least a chance that Romney would do such things - and there is Zero chance Obama would change his own goverment mandate on health care. When I view Obama, I see a person who doesn't know or doesn't care about the words in the Constitution. I see Romney as a person similar in many ways, but I see a difference and would fear 4 more years of Obama. I also think about Romney needing to be careful on what he does or doesn't do because he hopes to get reelected in 2016. Obama, will have 4 more years without worry of reelection and if he was this reckless in 4 "checked" years, I don't want to be a part of 4 more "unchecked" years.

I hope to hear from the Libertarians on this forum who live in those handful of Swing States. Have you made up your choice or are you on the fence - and if so which way are you leaning? I hope in this next week, we can all chat more under this new thread and talk about what is happening in our states and why we are going one way or the other. So I ask: Why vote for Johnson in a swing state when you know that makes it almost a "lock" for Obama to get 4 more years? or I will ask: Why vote for Romney when he may not be for as big of government as Obama but still supports many big government ideas?

A very well crafted message from a Romney operative sent here to sway votes.

A few mistakes gave him or her away, however.

 

[CaptUSA]

Okay, that is a point to be made. 4 years is less than 8 years. But wouldn't it be best to work on Romney getting 4 years and then vote for the 3rd party in 4 years - thus electing the 3rd party or make Romney One-Term and make a point to those on the Right that they must pick someone Libertarians like if they want the election in the future?

What lesson does it teach them now if they give us the finger and we turn around and support them?

 

[LibertyPA]

He lost me with "you talk to your lawyers" lol.

 

[tod evans]

and how do we kill the monster? vote for a person that makes the monster grow larger and faster and more out of control - making it harder to kill and correct in the future? That is waht a vote for G.J. will do because Obama will make this government as large as he can and unable to be corrected, maybe forever.

You do what you want, I'll write in Ron.

I want no part in where this country is headed, Where I 20-30 years younger I'd move......Now My only option is not to contribute to it's demise.

Picking one Goldman representative over the other is not a choice I'll be making.

 

[specsaregood]

I refer to romney outright telling us that he isn't a decision maker and will do whatever his lawyers tell him to do.

 

[LibertyPA]

A very well crafted message from a Romney operative sent here to sway votes.

A few mistakes gave him or her away, however.

My Word - please tell me you are joking.
I specifically said I was leaning to vote for Romney in the first message. Doesn't take a code breaker to read that part. Lol
You think this is "crafted" haha, and yet I admit everything upfront. I hope you aren't one of those people that don't think we landed on the moon too. Is everything is a conspiracy to you?!?!

Why can you not just share your points -- you can only made personal attacks and accusations.....just talk about why a vote for Gary Johnson is a good idea for people in swing states when it may alter the outcome of the election.