Libertarian party files motions to remove Bob Barr as their nominee

[Kludge]

NO electors can be bound, that would be going against the whole purpose of having an electorial college.

I was confusing the electoral college with party electors. My bad. :o

 

[torchbearer]

The year Nixon won, one of his electors voted his VP vote to the Libertarian VP candidate in protest. The first woman to ever recieve an electorial vote.

Edit: oh, and first electorial vote for the LP.

 

[nate895]

The year Nixon won, one of his electors voted his VP vote to the Libertarian VP candidate in protest. The first woman to ever recieve an electorial vote.

Edit: oh, and first electorial vote for the LP.

And the only one.

 

[Lafayette]

Are you a card carrying member of the LP?

No, but i was going to give Barr a chance and ignore his necon past. I figured maybe he really did change his priciples, but after this....


I'm still not sure about Baldwin, and that would leave me with Nader or writing in Paul.



i have a lot of thinking left to do

 

[torchbearer]

And the only one.

Yeh, but that tells you that techinically the electors could vote for anyone they want, ballot or not.
They get the say... they choose.
If something happened to McCain like happened to Barr, at the same time economic collapse, everyone turns to austrian economist for help...
They point to Ron Paul. The electors, in the extreme fantasy, could decide at the very last minute to all vote ron paul, even if he wasn't on one ballot.

 

[nate895]

Yeh, but that tells you that techinically the electors could vote for anyone they want, ballot or not.
They get the say... they choose.
If something happened to McCain like happened to Barr, at the same time economic collapse, everyone turns to austrian economist for help...
They point to Ron Paul. The electors, in the extreme fantasy, could decide at the very last minute to all vote ron paul, even if he wasn't on one ballot.

I don't believe that Presidential electors ballots have names on them anyway, I think they are blank with a slot for Prez and then a slot for VP. At least that would would explain why "John Ewards" (counted as Edwards) got a Presidential electoral vote and John Edwards got the same elector's VP vote as well.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

No, but i was going to give Barr a chance and ignore his necon past. I figured maybe he really did change his priciples, but after this....


I'm still not sure about Baldwin, and that would leave me with Nader or writing in Paul.



i have a lot of thinking left to do

ever wonder why they don't ever create a petition for the GOP?

fine. At least you're not a Baldwin shill. That guy is crazy!!

 

[jabrownie]

ever wonder why they don't ever create a petition for the GOP?

fine. At least you're not a Baldwin shill. That guy is crazy!!

There was a petition for the GOP. After McCain was the presumptive nominee everybody signed up a demand for the GOP to replace McCain with Ron Paul.

I'm curious why you think Baldwin is crazy. Don't know that much about him, but it seems that the only significant difference with the Constitution party is that they strongly support the religion component. Most everything else seems to line up. So, what's the problem? I think most people here had a few things that RP stood for that they didn't believe in, but everybody agreed that the threat was large enough that as long as we all agreed on the key liberty principle then we could all agree to disagree on some of the secondary things. I mean, I recall everything from socialists to anarchists to atheists to right wing pentacostals supporting paul on these forums and this wasn't an issue.

 

[nate895]

There was a petition for the GOP. After McCain was the presumptive nominee everybody signed up a demand for the GOP to replace McCain with Ron Paul.

I'm curious why you think Baldwin is crazy. Don't know that much about him, but it seems that the only significant difference with the Constitution party is that they strongly support the religion component. Most everything else seems to line up. So, what's the problem? I think most people here had a few things that RP stood for that they didn't believe in, but everybody agreed that the threat was large enough that as long as we all agreed on the key liberty principle then we could all agree to disagree on some of the secondary things. I mean, I recall everything from socialists to anarchists to atheists to right wing pentacostals supporting paul on these forums and this wasn't an issue.

It shouldn't be. The more people we can get into the fold by all agreeing to follow the Constitution and let the states decide on other issues, the closer we get to liberty. If we have one truly Libertarian state in the union, it would be worth it.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

There was a petition for the GOP. After McCain was the presumptive nominee everybody signed up a demand for the GOP to replace McCain with Ron Paul.

I'm curious why you think Baldwin is crazy. Don't know that much about him, but it seems that the only significant difference with the Constitution party is that they strongly support the religion component. Most everything else seems to line up. So, what's the problem? I think most people here had a few things that RP stood for that they didn't believe in, but everybody agreed that the threat was large enough that as long as we all agreed on the key liberty principle then we could all agree to disagree on some of the secondary things. I mean, I recall everything from socialists to anarchists to atheists to right wing pentacostals supporting paul on these forums and this wasn't an issue.

The CP supports statism. But not only statism, it supports crazy things like, banning pornography, bashing gays, and Lincoln-esque protectionism.

I never saw any McCain petition.

 

[nate895]

The CP supports statism. But not only statism, it supports crazy things like, banning pornography, bashing gays, and Lincoln-esque protectionism.

I never saw any McCain petition.

There was a McCain petition.

http://nowaymccain.com/

Anyway, they voted for Ron Paul and contributed to his cause, they clearly cannot be classified as enemies. Maybe some religious fanatics within the party, but not the party as a whole or their Presidential nominee. If they were truly religious crazies who supported statism, Keyes would be their nominee because he is truly nuts. Read his writings and you will realize that his mind has left him.

 

[jabrownie]

The CP supports statism. But not only statism, it supports crazy things like, banning pornography, bashing gays, and Lincoln-esque protectionism.

I never saw any McCain petition.

Maybe someone on here can find the McCain petition, I know there was one because I signed it.

When you say statism, do you mean only in the religious/moral department or do you mean in other areas e.g. economic restrictions, taking of private property, taxes, size of government, denial of speech/association/travel rights. If it's just a different interpretation of the religion portion of the constitution i.e. freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion, then it seems like a minor point to be upset about in comparision to the duopoly statists. Heck, if they agree to be neutral about it, as in have the federal government stay out of legislating morality, but retaining the freedom to believe and endorse their views locally, then they would have the same position as RP.

 

[Kludge]

I never saw any McCain petition.

What was the "Letter to the GOP"?

 

[TurtleBurger]

I understand the sentiment, but to the outside world it would just make the Libertarian party look silly. Just stick with Barr through November, let him get his Badnarik-like showing, and then quietly move on and make sure to choose better next time.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

What was the "Letter to the GOP"?

How is a letter a petition?

 

[Kludge]

How is a letter a petition?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/petition

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/petition

But a petition is not a letter.

 

[torchbearer]

But a petition is not a letter.

All petitions are letters, but not all letters are petitions.

 

[jabrownie]

How is a letter a petition?

The letter isn't the one I remember signing. Here's another one from early March that was up on dailypaul. It's not the one I remember signing either, so guess there were several of them up and about a handful of months ago.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/43726

lol. Guess that makes us equal opportunity petitioners when there's someone on a ballot that we decide we don't like. (Don't remember one for Obama though...maybe we should start one) ;-P

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

The letter isn't the one I remember signing. Here's another one from early March that was up on dailypaul. It's not the one I remember signing either, so guess there were several of them up and about a handful of months ago.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/43726

lol. Guess that makes us equal opportunity petitioners when there's someone on a ballot that we decide we don't like. (Don't remember one for Obama though...maybe we should start one) ;-P

hmm. but why don't I see it being spammed all over these forums?