Libertarian Party chairman: Ron Paul on LP ticket would be "difficult"

[ClydeCoulter]

Aren't we talking about a COMING TOGETHER? CAN WE? SHOULD WE?

 

[Eire4RonPaul]

Writing in Ron Paul is so stupid, it defies logic.

If the Libertarians win, Paul is guaranteed a place in government.

If people write in Ron Paul, he get's nothing. And also the argument that "I'm writing in Ron Paul, but states that don't allow write-in's should vote for Gary Johnson" is total nonsense. Don't these people realize that their votes may be whats needed to send Gary up a couple of points?! Jesus, Ron also seems to have had the opposite effect on some people - he's completely stopped them having any kind of independent thought.

 

[sailingaway]

You are assuming people who like Ron Paul like Gary Johnson, though. Clearly a lot more people like Ron Paul than like Gary Johnson. For them, Johnson going up a couple of points may not be something they care about. Voting for Ron Paul is.

 

[Endthefednow]

So my write in for Ron Paul will get him nothing you say.

 

[RickyJ]

Ron Paul not on the LP ticket would be difficult for the LP too.

Does the LP party ever want to actually win?

Here is there chance.

 

[sailingaway]

So my write in for Ron Paul will get him nothing you say.

You have been through this discussion before. It will get the gap between those who vote for President and those who vote, those numbers are reported. It would be no confidence in the named people, but only in some states will it be counted. In my state, it probably would be counted separately, for Ron Paul, because I think enough of us will file as electors. But if it doesn't get counted for Ron Paul it will at least be someone who bothered to vote and didn't vote for anyone on the presidential ballot. I think that is as close to a no confidence vote as our system allows. Meanwhile, I want to vote for Ron Paul, and would get that, whether they count it separately or not.

 

[American Idol]

Ron Paul not on the LP ticket would be difficult for the LP too.

Does the LP party ever want to actually win?

For years there have been signs that the LP is controlled opposition.

 

[Eire4RonPaul]

You are assuming people who like Ron Paul like Gary Johnson, though. Clearly a lot more people like Ron Paul than like Gary Johnson. For them, Johnson going up a couple of points may not be something they care about. Voting for Ron Paul is.

Going up a couple of points is not something to care about??!!!!!

If the LP get just a couple of percentage points more, the days of the two party-system will effectively be over. Look, you're not giving those guys enough credit - they've managed to get themselves on all 50 ballots! Anyone in America can vote for them (you don't have to be registered Libertarian or even leave the GOP to vote Libertarian) and I suspect a lot will because they'll be fed up with Democrats and Republicans and "the other guys" will look an attractive vote to them.

In fact the only thing the LP are missing are numbers and money and we've invested both of those things into the bastard party for the last several years that f*cked us over last weekend and laughed at us. Ballot access is not an issue anymore. We can have a Libertarian President in a few short years if we back them now. The media will have to report Gary's numbers and after that, the Establishment will have to move their platform to appeal to us in the future.

Lastly, If Gary goes and takes a significant chunk away from Romney so that Obama wins - Rand can skip all the way to the GOP and say he can bring those numbers back if he's put on the ticket in 2016. Or at least nominate another liberty individual.

We can't miss this opportunity. It's yours to blow...

 

[sailingaway]

I'm not interested in Gary Johnson, and I can't imagine voting for him. Those who want to, will.

Going up a couple of points is not something to care about??!!!!!

If the LP get just a couple of percentage points more, the days of the two party-system will effectively be over. Look, you're not giving those guys enough credit - they've managed to get themselves on all 50 ballots! Anyone in America can vote for them (you don't have to be registered Libertarian or even leave the GOP to vote Libertarian) and I suspect a lot will because they'll be fed up with Democrats and Republicans and "the other guys" will look an attractive vote to them.

In fact the only thing the LP are missing are numbers and money and we've invested both of those things into the bastard party for the last several years that f*cked us over last weekend and laughed at us. Ballot access is not an issue anymore. We can have a Libertarian President in a few short years if we back them now. The media will have to report Gary's numbers and after that, the Establishment will have to move their platform to appeal to us in the future.

Lastly, If Gary goes and takes a significant chunk away from Romney so that Obama loses - Rand can skip all the way to the GOP and say he can bring those numbers back if he's put on the ticket in 2016. Or at least nominate another liberty individual.

We can't miss this opportunity. It's yours to blow...

 

[DrRP08]

I love how people say it's "about the movement, not Ron Paul" yet half of you want to write in Ron Paul when he's not even running instead of voting for similar candidates who are actually running.

 

[kathy88]

For years there have been signs that the LP is controlled opposition.

Oh FFS. I've seen the term "controlled opposition" enough times in the last 48 hours to last me a lifetime.

 

[Carlybee]

If Texas doesn't have RP on the ballot as a write in, I would consider voting for GJ but I don't think he has a snowball's chance in hell of winning. Either way it will take votes away from Romney (assuming they don't get tossed into a trashcan or electronically deleted because this whole shebang is probably rigged from the get go anyway).
If Ron doesn't run I may try to figure out a way to just write him in anyway which is what I always planned and then vote straight ticket Libertarian on everything else.*

*assuming I can since I voted in the GOP primary, not sure what will be on the ballot

 

[sailingaway]

I love how people say it's "about the movement, not Ron Paul" yet half of you want to write in Ron Paul when he's not even running instead of voting for similar candidates who are actually running.

They are similar to you, not to me, and I don't say 'it is about the movement', I say 'it is about the principles'.

 

[twomp]

Oh FFS. I've seen the term "controlled opposition" enough times in the last 48 hours to last me a lifetime.

Hahahah I totally know what you mean! I just read through that 40 page thread of Benton vs. Paulfest myself lolol

 

[RPES1]

just change the rules..

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Oh FFS. I've seen the term "controlled opposition" enough times in the last 48 hours to last me a lifetime.

And like 90% of the mentions have been by one guy. The dude literally writes "controlled opposition" in every god damn post.

 

[TrishW]

Come on folks, this isn't going to happen. We'd be doing the same thing to the LP as the GOP did to us. Rush in, swarm them with numbers, and over-ride their consent.

But, all it would take for me to vote for the Johnson/Judge Gray ticket, is for them to announce that Ron Paul would play a role in the cabinet, if elected. I think Gary would go for that. What I am not sure of, is whether Ron Paul would.

I would like Ron to be involved in some way. A top advisory role would be good. VP even better!

Comparing what we want to see happen, to what the RNC did to us is wrong. They took over and destroyed our people. We want to build the Libertarian Party, but only if it is what they would want too. NOBODY is talking about a forceful take-over.

 

[DrRP08]

They are similar to you, not to me, and I don't say 'it is about the movement', I say 'it is about the principles'.

Okay, Gary Johnson isn't similar to Ron Paul. Believe what you want, you're delusional.

Gary Johnson per his voting record and statements:

Ron Paul per his voting record and statements:

Instead of trying to support a candidate and get him into the debates, let's just throw our votes away and ultimately divide. Yay!

 

[American Idol]

Oh FFS. I've seen the term "controlled opposition" enough times in the last 48 hours to last me a lifetime.

Indeed, welcome to the world of politics, where controlled opposition plays an important role. As Lenin famously noted, "The best way to control the opposition is to simply lead it ourselves."

I've been around the LP long enough to see them inexplicably shoot themselves in the foot time and again. This doesn't mean that every person in the LP is controlled, or that Gary Johnson is controlled. But the party itself is contained and divided enough that it cannot grow very much. There's a reason for that. Only a name like Ron Paul could allow them to escape their hamster wheel...

 

[American Idol]

And like 90% of the mentions have been by one guy. The dude literally writes "controlled opposition" in every god damn post.

That's not me. I don't think I've ever written that term here prior to today. Haha