Lew and Tom on the Trump phenomenon

[Chieppa1]

They've both been attacking Rand for years.

Attacking Rand and pumping Trump.

Yup, and a jackass to boot (Tom at least is well mannered).

Anyone describing himself as a libertarian who is actively trying to undermine Rand is either criminally stupid or a liar - take your pick.

If they were just not supporting Rand, ignoring him, that'd be one thing; but going out of your way to attack him is quite another.

Actually, everything you said is just your opinion and you don't speak for all libertarians. So please calm the hell down and let people have their own views.

You are acting like Woods is "pumping Trump" because he actually want him to win.

Woods, Rockwell, Horton. All of them are anarchists who do not give a crap about the political process.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Heads-up to those interested, this post made by rev3 is misleading. He gives the impression that Lew and Tom criticized Rand in the episode mentioned in the OP. I don't recall one mention of Rand, and rev3 later clarified that he was referring to things Lew and Tom said in other occasions.

In their video of the first Republican debate, they both went out of their way to ignore Rand as much as possible and talk about Trump the whole time. It is intentional. They said 2 sentences about him in an hour.

 

[Chieppa1]

^^^Are you denying that Tom and Lew have (repeatedly) attacked Rand in the past?

Attacked and disagreed with are two different things. Also, maybe they have high standards for Rand since you know, they are personal friends of his father. And you are just an internet poster like the rest of us...

 

[Chieppa1]

In their video of the first Republican debate, they both went out of their way to ignore Rand as much as possible and talk about Trump the whole time. It is intentional. They said 2 sentences about him in an hour.

Link? Woods usually does not do full hour shows.

 

[SilentBull]

It's hilarious how these pro-Trump people think Trump is somehow a positive because he's "disrupting" the whole process. In reality, Trump couldn't be more part of the process. He's being used to keep serious candidates away so the establishment can win again. How exactly is this a positive? It's the same thing they did in 2012 when they pumped the other candidates. This is just a different strategy they are using. But they sure are fooling the fools.

 

[jj-]

In their video of the first Republican debate, they both went out of their way to ignore Rand as much as possible and talk about Trump the whole time. It is intentional. They said 2 sentences about him in an hour.

I recall the episode differently. They commented on every intervention by Rand on the debate, and mentioned some things that could've been done better. I think they also said he won his exchange with Christie. I don't know what else you want to qualify your purity test.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I recall the episode differently. They commented on every intervention by Rand on the debate, and mentioned some things that could've been done better. I think they also said he won his exchange with Christie. I don't know what else you want to qualify your purity test.

Are you seriously saying they are being completely unbiased here? Dude, wake up!

 

[Chieppa1]

It's hilarious how these pro-Trump people think Trump is somehow a positive because he's "disrupting" the whole process. In reality, Trump couldn't be more part of the process. He's being used to keep serious candidates away so the establishment can win again. How exactly is this a positive? It's the same thing they did in 2012 when they pumped the other candidates. This is just a different strategy they are using. But they sure are fooling the fools.

Again, or they are not fooling the fools and the non-"pro-Trump" people are just enjoying the show. Because, again, they are anarchists who don't give a shit about the political process.

Ironically, Ron Paul ran his campaign to spread liberty, educate and change hearts & minds. So after his campaign, Thomas Woods continues to education, spread liberty and change hearts & minds. Members of Ron Paul's forum denounce Woods for not going full politics like Jack fucking Hunter, and instead actually follow the advise of Ron and spread the message on his own way.

There are much better ways to spread liberty & freedom than get a man elected president.

 

[jj-]

Are you seriously saying they are being completely unbiased here? Dude, wake up!

No, I'm saying the things you said in your post I quoted are inaccurate, to my memory. Claiming that I'm saying that:

Are you seriously saying they are being completely unbiased here?

is called moving the goalposts, or in this case, more like putting the goalpost on an airplane to send it to another continent.

 

[Sola_Fide]

is called moving the goalposts, or in this case, more like putting the goalpost on an airplane to sending it to another continent.

What does Trump do to the goalposts? Send them to the moon?

 

[Chieppa1]

Are you seriously saying they are being completely unbiased here? Dude, wake up!

Tom Woods is a shill for the establishment that only became personal friends of the Paul family just to eventually gain a big enough audience to have a daily podcast and ruin Ron Paul's son's changes of being president. Clearly.

Or he is just tired of talking about Rand Paul.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Actually, everything you said is just your opinion and you don't speak for all libertarians.

It's not my opinion that they've been attacking Rand and praising Trump - it's a fact.

And unless the definition of the word libertarian changed while I was sleeping, this is not consistent with being a libertarian.

...which means they either aren't libertarians, or they're very stupid ones who don't see the inconsistency (it's more the latter than the former in this case).

You are acting like Woods is "pumping Trump" because he actually want him to win.

Woods, Rockwell, Horton. All of them are anarchists who do not give a crap about the political process.

Let me see if I follow.

These are anarcho-capitalists who, opposing the existence of the state, have no interest in politics.

That's why they comment on politics, to praise a fascist demagogue and attack the candidate closest to their own views.

...makes sense

 

[Sola_Fide]

is called moving the goalposts, or in this case, more like putting the goalpost on an airplane to sending it to another continent.

What does Trump do to the goalposts? Send them to the moon??

 

[SilentBull]

Some think Trump is taking the whole freaking system down when in reality, the system is using Trump to keep itself alive. The establishment is so afraid of Trump that they give him 24/7 coverage. What kind of an idiot do you have to be to fall for this?

 

[specsaregood]

The author of the racist newletters and the neo-confederate like Donald Trump, consider me unsurprised.

 

[Chieppa1]

It's not my opinion that they've been attacking Rand and praising Trump - it's a fact.

And unless the definition of the word libertarian changed while I was sleeping, this is not consistent with being a libertarian.

...which means they either aren't libertarians, or they're very stupid ones who don't see the inconsistency (it's more the latter than the former in this case).



Let me see if I follow.

These are anarcho-capitalists who, opposing the existence of the state, have no interest in politics.

That's why they comment on politics, to praise a fascist demagogue and attack the candidate closest to their own views.

...makes sense

Yes. They are "praising" Donald Trump's views and policy ideas. Sure. Or like I said, they are discussing the circus. Because you know, Woods has a daily podcast show to put out and maybe needs a topic to discuss. Between his development of a home school curriculum, Liberty Classroom, write books, make speeches, raise 5 kids, and create another podcast that focuses on debunking Paul Krugman. But he doesn't have episodes praising Rand so he must be an idiot and unworthy of being called a libertarian.

Did you just state that attacking Rand Paul disqualifies you from being a libertarian? All a libertarian is is someone that is against coercion & believes in the NAP. Unless I am mistaken and missed a meeting...

 

[Chieppa1]

The author of the racist newletters and the neo-confederate like Donald Trump, consider me unsurprised.

Never liked Rockwell. However, I'm pretty sure Rockwell praised Jeffrey Tucker's great write ups on the fascism of Donald Trump.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Yes. They are "praising" Donald Trump's views and policy ideas. Sure. Or like I said, they are discussing the circus.

They're not discussing it, they're in favor of it, for whatever hare-brained reason ("shaking things up" derp derp derp).

I'll post the video evidence, if you like.

Because you know, Woods has a daily podcast show to put out and maybe needs a topic to discuss. Between his development of a home school curriculum, Liberty Classroom, write books, make speeches, raise 5 kids, and create another podcast that focuses on debunking Paul Krugman. But he doesn't have episodes praising Rand so he must be an idiot and unworthy of being called a libertarian.

It's not the lack of episodes praising Rand that's the problem.

It's the presence of episodes attacking Rand (while praising Trump).

Did you just state that attacking Rand Paul disqualifies you from being a libertarian?

I don't doubt their libertarianism, I doubt their intelligence.

A libertarian who attacks Rand for being insufficiently pure is a bit thick.

A libertarian who attacks Rand for being insufficiently pure, while simultaneously praising fascist demagogue Donald Trump, is a pure moron.

 

[Chieppa1]

They're not discussing it, they're in favor of it, for whatever hare-brained reason ("shaking things up" derp derp derp).

I'll post the video evidence, if you like.



It's not the lack of episodes praising Rand that's the problem.

It's the presence of episodes attacking Rand (while praising Trump).



I don't doubt their libertarianism, I doubt their intelligence.

A libertarian who attacks Rand for being insufficiently pure is a bit thick.

A libertarian who attacks Rand for being insufficiently pure, while simultaneously praising fascist demagogue Donald Trump, is a pure moron.

They enjoy it for the same reason they enjoyed Perot and Buchanan. It does shake things up and makes people freak out.

They enjoy it because they know, even though some here will not admit it, it doesn't matter who the president is.

And I'm sure both of them think TPTB won't let Rand get anywhere close to the White House.

 

[SilentBull]

Why is the tone of your post like a person crying?

That's your weak mind playing tricks on you, just like how Trump, to you, looks like more of a positive for the liberty movement than Rand.