Lew and Tom on the Trump phenomenon

[erowe1]

I don't get this. Trump has zero positives. Trump's supporters really are some of the most vile scum, as we've seen on this website. And they're wrong. He's not going to go anywhere in the election.

 

[BGfree]

Trump's supporters really are some of the most vile scum.

What characteristics do the people you refer to a "vile scum" possess?

 

[RonPaulMall]

It's hilarious how these pro-Trump people think Trump is somehow a positive because he's "disrupting" the whole process. In reality, Trump couldn't be more part of the process. He's being used to keep serious candidates away so the establishment can win again. How exactly is this a positive? It's the same thing they did in 2012 when they pumped the other candidates. This is just a different strategy they are using. But they sure are fooling the fools.

Is there anything you don't attribute to a conspiracy theory? Trump is not an intentional creation of the establishment. He is their creation in the sense that his rebellion against their standard operating procedure of screaming "that's racist" and then having the Republican grovel and beg and take back everything he said is what set the Trump Train in to motion. But it was not an intentional creation. Trump is their worst nightmare. He's owning their preferred candidate Jeb, he's completely undermining the immigration system that is at the core of their new world order, and he's so inflamed the electorate that it looks like Hillary won't even survive the primaries now, let alone win the General Election.

 

[erowe1]

What characteristics do the people you refer to a "vile scum" possess?

They're dumb as rocks.
They're racists.
They support Donald Trump for President.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

They enjoy it for the same reason they enjoyed Perot and Buchanan. It does shake things up and makes people freak out.

They enjoy it because they know, even though some here will not admit it, it doesn't matter who the president is.

And I'm sure both of them think TPTB won't let Rand get anywhere close to the White House.

If (as it appears from their comments), they genuinely believe that Trump's candidacy will advance the cause ("shake things up" derp derp derp) further than Rand's, then they are idiots. If (as you're suggesting), they're in it just for shits and giggles, and they don't really care about the outcome, then libertarians needs to be made aware of this, so as not to mistake their clowning-around for serious analysis. Either way, there's something deeply wrong with what they're doing.

 

[Krugminator2]

They enjoy it because they know, even though some here will not admit it, it doesn't matter who the president is.

It matters tremendously who the President is. Carter's response to stagflation was to raise taxes to control inflation and combine it with loose monetary policy so the economy didn't get worse. His prescription was the exact opposite of what was needed to be done. Reagan's cutting marginal rates combined with extreme measures to get inflation under control made the world a much better place for the next 15 years. Reagan was the right person for the economy in the early 80's. You are only living for a limited time so if someone can influence policy it not only makes the world a better place in the short term, it provides an example of success for future generations.

I am not a fan of Tom, Lew, or Scott Horton. All three of them are anti-state. I think that is why they like Trump. Trump is someone messes up the gears. But being anti-government is not the same as being pro-liberty.

And I would add, they are actively trying to undermine Rand Paul. I do not consider anyone an ally who is trying to undermine Rand's campaign. You don't have to actively support Rand, but anyone who thinks Rand is "ruining the brand" is an idiot and an enemy of liberty.

 

[Chieppa1]

Okay, I just relistened to the episode and I just can't stand Rockwell's voice.

I admit Woods sounded a bit ignorant of the theory of Trump as Hilary's Trojan Horse. But I would not be surprised if he an episode on it with another guest.

He did say multiple times that Trump would be a terrible president. And also that Trump is part of the establishment.

 

[jj-]

That's your weak mind playing tricks on you, just like how Trump, to you, looks like more of a positive for the liberty movement than Rand.

Where did I say he is a positive for the liberty movement? I do not think he is.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Where did I say he is a positive for the liberty movement? I do not think he is.

....which is why I spend all my time promoting him.

 

[SilentBull]

Where did I say he is a positive for the liberty movement? I do not think he is.

Your actions say that. I know you like to focus more on words, which is why you've been hyptonized by Trump, but actions do speak louder.

 

[SilentBull]

Is there anything you don't attribute to a conspiracy theory? Trump is not an intentional creation of the establishment. He is their creation in the sense that his rebellion against their standard operating procedure of screaming "that's racist" and then having the Republican grovel and beg and take back everything he said is what set the Trump Train in to motion. But it was not an intentional creation. Trump is their worst nightmare. He's owning their preferred candidate Jeb, he's completely undermining the immigration system that is at the core of their new world order, and he's so inflamed the electorate that it looks like Hillary won't even survive the primaries now, let alone win the General Election.

I'm no conspiracy theorist. I never said they created him. I said they are using him as a distraction.

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

It's hilarious how these pro-Trump people think Trump is somehow a positive because he's "disrupting" the whole process. In reality, Trump couldn't be more part of the process. He's being used to keep serious candidates away so the establishment can win again.

Who are all these "serious candidates" you're speaking of? Canada Ted? Babyface Rubio, the born natural Cuban? Ben "never elected to anything" Carson? Carly "failure at business and politics" Fiorina? Lindsey Graham?

 

[rg17]

Some think Trump is taking the whole freaking system down when in reality, the system is using Trump to keep itself alive. The establishment is so afraid of Trump that they give him 24/7 coverage. What kind of an idiot do you have to be to fall for this?

Exactly!

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

The author of the racist newletters and the neo-confederate like Donald Trump, consider me unsurprised.

Where has James B. Powell made a statement on Trump? Was he on this radio show?

When have Rockwell or Woods ever argued for the reestablishment of the CSA?

 

[SilentBull]

Who are all these "serious candidates" you're speaking of? Canada Ted? Babyface Rubio, the born natural Cuban? Ben "never elected to anything" Carson? Carly "failure at business and politics" Fiorina? Lindsey Graham?

There's just one actually.

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

There's just one actually.

Then you shouldn't have used the plural. You should be more clear in your language.

I'll assume "the one" you're talking about Rand.

The RNC already had 14 other stooges set up to drown out Rand Paul and ensure that Jeb Bush could win multiple states with only 12-15%. (Canada Ted's backstabbing fuckery in particular cut Rand's poll numbers in half before he even started.) Their "drown out" strategy for Rand was already in place for several months before Trump came along.

It is extremely poor discernment on your part if you honestly think Trump is just another RNC stooge here like Rubio or Perry. The RNC doesn't want someone relentlessly clowning on Jeb and the Bush family's many many failures and shortcomings like Trump is. The RNC doesn't want Trump or anyone else polling 5x Jeb in New Hampshire. This is not something the RNC wargamed for. There's a reason why the RNC is now trying the same "loyalty oath" tactics on Trump -- in three states now -- that they have tried on Ron Paul before. They are getting desperate.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/tom-woods-proven-right-again/

As Tom notes, in the American establishment there is no dissent. Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives, all agree on issues from war to empire, from welfare to banksterism. Anyone who threatens this ruling class is, of course, demonized and–they hope–silenced. And now, right on schedule, we’re starting to hear that Trump’s supporters are racists, sexists, antisemites, etc. Ross Perot got the same treatment, as did Pat Buchanan, and for the same reason. But I have a feeling that this time, it’s not going to work. Most Americans are tired of the reign of PC terror, which grows more evil and idiotic by the day. And–trigger warning–Trump has given them safe spaces from all the micro-aggressions.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

It is extremely poor discernment on your part if you honestly think Trump is just another RNC stooge here like Rubio or Perry. The RNC doesn't want someone relentlessly clowning on Jeb and the Bush family's many many failures and shortcomings like Trump is. The RNC doesn't want Trump or anyone else polling 5x Jeb in New Hampshire. This is not something the RNC wargamed for. There's a reason why the RNC is now trying the same "loyalty oath" tactics on Trump -- in three states now -- that they have tried on Ron Paul before. They are getting desperate.

And yet FOX (media arm of the RNC) is doing everything possible to promote Trump, including "attacking" him.

Either they're really bad at politics (they aren't) or they want Trump to succeed (at least up to a certain point).

It looks like he's the anointed "anti-Jeb," the ringer.

Make it the Trump and Jeb show until it's too late for anyone else (i.e. Rand), and then obliterate Trump and hand it to Jeb.

As for that obliterating, it could be done in a week. They've chosen not to do it thus far.

 

[SilentBull]

Then you shouldn't have used the plural. You should be more clear in your language.

I'll assume "the one" you're talking about Rand.

The RNC already had 14 other stooges set up to drown out Rand Paul and ensure that Jeb Bush could win multiple states with only 12-15%. (Canada Ted's backstabbing fuckery in particular cut Rand's poll numbers in half before he even started.) Their "drown out" strategy for Rand was already in place for several months before Trump came along.

It is extremely poor discernment on your part if you honestly think Trump is just another RNC stooge here like Rubio or Perry. The RNC doesn't want someone relentlessly clowning on Jeb and the Bush family's many many failures and shortcomings like Trump is. The RNC doesn't want Trump or anyone else polling 5x Jeb in New Hampshire. This is not something the RNC wargamed for. There's a reason why the RNC is now trying the same "loyalty oath" tactics on Trump -- in three states now -- that they have tried on Ron Paul before. They are getting desperate.

So because he's an enemy of the RNC he's your friend? He's also an enemy of liberty.

 

[jj-]

And yet FOX (media arm of the RNC) is doing everything possible to promote Trump, including "attacking" him.

No, they didn't believe having Trump calling her a bimbo and attributing her questions to menstruation wouldn't have toppled Trump.

They didn't believe Trump calling McCain not a war hero wouldn't have toppled Trump.

In those two instances they tried as hard as possible to eliminate Trump, they thought they succeeded, but they failed.