Levin just name dropped Rand Paul for President

[Odin]

I seriously find it hard to believe that anyone growing up in the Ron household could be deficient in terms of character and integrity. Rand has been following his dad's career from early on and has seen the ups and downs. He also strikes me as a self-driven learner that strives to overcome challenges and thus will outdo any and all jerkoffs in the media and elsewhere to achieve success and has shown that. I also believe Rand sees himself as Atlas with the weight of the world on his shoulders and he's investing his intelligence in taking on the establishment with the ultimate goal of proving how epic of a politician he is and to improve the lives of posterity. He realizes that he has to take a different approach than his dad did and this is where people justifiably tend to worry. Rand isn't the type of person that is willing to shit on his father's legacy just so he can hobnob with the scumbags on W@ll st or Capital hill. He's out to ensure his father's career wasn't a waste and to pay back all the motherf-ers that belittled his dad for so long. And that's where his stealth is a means to an end.

Tend to agree with this.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I seriously find it hard to believe that anyone growing up in the Ron household could be deficient in terms of character and integrity. Rand has been following his dad's career from early on and has seen the ups and downs. He also strikes me as a self-driven learner that strives to overcome challenges and thus will outdo any and all jerkoffs in the media and elsewhere to achieve success and has shown that. I also believe Rand sees himself as Atlas with the weight of the world on his shoulders and he's investing his intelligence in taking on the establishment with the ultimate goal of proving how epic of a politician he is and to improve the lives of posterity. He realizes that he has to take a different approach than his dad did and this is where people justifiably tend to worry. Rand isn't the type of person that is willing to shit on his father's legacy just so he can hobnob with the scumbags on W@ll st or Capital hill. He's out to ensure his father's career wasn't a waste and to pay back all the motherf-ers that belittled his dad for so long. And that's where his stealth is a means to an end.

I think you're mostly right, and I actually like the way you put it (bolded part ) Most of what has been discussed in this thread about what he'll do or not do is mere speculation; we will all have to wait and see.

My main point for entering this thread was to say that I will continue to criticize Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and Levin when they make idiots of themselves...I do not agree to hold back on criticizing them just because they "might" decide to like Rand better if I stay quiet.

 

[Odin]

I often laugh at republicans who have a largely negative view of ron paul but a positive one of rand despite them being incredibly similiar in opinion on almost every issue except messaging it different. Then I think of the ron paul supporters who have a negative view of rand and I can't help but think they're just as dumb

I'm not sure if this was the plan from the beginning or it just worked out this way, but it seemed to me that Ron Paul's combative tone helped bring non-Republicans and younger people into the movement, and Rand Paul's more conciliatory tone should bring the masses and establishment of the GOP along as well.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

(I haven't read it in a while, but...) The problem isn't books like that. There's actually plenty of good stuff in there about freedom and choice and personal responsibility, etc. The problem is, at least when it comes to certain issues, Limbaugh is a big-government neocon who throws it all out the window and becomes a hypocrite.


I kind of wish the Republicans would give in on returning "the rich" tax rate to what it was under Clinton. Because, at the most, that would bring in less than 100 billion dollars a year. The deficit is over 1 trillion dollars a year. So you let the Democrats and the 99% have their tax increase on the rich, and then you say, "ok, now what is your plan for the other 900+ billion dollars of the deficit? Can we start cutting spending now?"

Btw, on immigration, that's probably the one issue I thought Romney was the strongest on. And now the GOP is already looking at doing the opposite. Romney might have won if he had just toned down the war rhetoric.

Another btw, look at how Glenn Beck is often at odds with Limbaugh and whomever else. Beck has a large audience yet often fights with the other "conservative" hosts. You can disagree with Limbaugh and still be as mainstream as Beck or similar.

I'm curious where the apparently-reborn Tea Party is going to go and what they are going to do. It looks like they are planning to be more conservative like they used to be.

I think the Tea Party saw what happens when establishment social cons hijack their message. Let's remember that Akin wasn't the Tea Party or Liberty candidate in the primary, Steelman was the Palin-esque Tea Party choice and Brunner was the Liberty-esque Tea Party choice.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Ron Paul has a 30 year history of doing the right thing in spite of some questionable endorsements at times. And he never (ever!) bowed down to establishment types like Limbaugh or Hannity...I'm not sure he's ever been invited on their show.

Rand has only been a Senator for 2 years, and while his voting record is pretty darned good, I'm worried about why he's so acceptable to these establishment warmongers when his Father was not.

Evidently, he's playing a game...but with whom? Will Rand change them, or will they marginalize him when they figure it out? Or worse, will they change him when he sees he can go farther than his Father did by adopting Limbaugh's and Hannity's points of view. That's what worries me. And there's not a whole lot anyone here can say to alleviate those concerns....I can only wait and see what Rand does, and hope I'm not disappointed again.

In spite of what Bastiat's The Law and others here think, I really WANT to support Rand; I just want him to be the man his Father is.

Um, Ron has been on Hannity's radio and tv program plenty. Rush doesn't even really do interviews does he? Seems to me he just bloviates the entire time.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Ron Paul has a 30 year history of doing the right thing in spite of some questionable endorsements at times. And he never (ever!) bowed down to establishment types like Limbaugh or Hannity...I'm not sure he's ever been invited on their show.

Rand has only been a Senator for 2 years, and while his voting record is pretty darned good, I'm worried about why he's so acceptable to these establishment warmongers when his Father was not.

Evidently, he's playing a game...but with whom? Will Rand change them, or will they marginalize him when they figure it out? Or worse, will they change him when he sees he can go farther than his Father did by adopting Limbaugh's and Hannity's points of view. That's what worries me. And there's not a whole lot anyone here can say to alleviate those concerns....I can only wait and see what Rand does, and hope I'm not disappointed again.

In spite of what Bastiat's The Law and others here think, I really WANT to support Rand; I just want him to be the man his Father is.

Another thing, let's not deify Ron here either, he wouldn't like it and its not healthy.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I'm not sure if this was the plan from the beginning or it just worked out this way, but it seemed to me that Ron Paul's combative tone helped bring non-Republicans and younger people into the movement, and Rand Paul's more conciliatory tone should bring the masses and establishment of the GOP along as well.

Combine that coalition and you got a winning formula. I think with Rand at the helm we can revolutionize the republican party. They rank and file will be flabbergasted with the influx of new, young, and diverse people coming into the party.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Another thing, let's not deify Ron here either, he wouldn't like it and its not healthy.

Deify? Nope. There's only one God, and He's not Ron Paul. I do think he's the best person to run for president in my lifetime, though.

 

[AuH20]

Listened to Levin on Sirius Patriot on the way home tonight. He alluded to George W. Bush reign mirroring that of Herbert Hoover and setting the stage for FDR, or in the contemporary case, Barack Obama. He was just ridiculing Boehner and the GOP mercilessly for being neo-statists.

 

[fr33]

Listened to Levin on Sirius Patriot on the way home tonight. He alluded to George W. Bush reign mirroring that of Herbert Hoover and setting the stage for FDR, or in the contemporary case, Barack Obama. He was just ridiculing Boehner and the GOP mercilessly for being neo-statists.

He cheered Dubya's every move while it was happening. Called anyone opposed to Bush a "big dummy".

 

[thoughtomator]

what would really heal the party is if Mark Levin hanged himself

 

[AuH20]

He cheered Dubya's every move while it was happening. Called anyone opposed to Bush a "big dummy".

Actually, Levin was very antagonistic against Bush on numerous fronts, specifically on the amnesty push, the auto bailout and TARP. People forget that Levin worked in the Reagan Administration and was not an Ari Fleischer type. The true believers in the Reagan administration never got along with the Bush people. There is still alot of animosity left over from that transition over to Papa Bush and his compassionate conservatism.

 

[Brett85]

I don't have much respect for Levin after the way he treated Ron. Hannity was at least respectful to Ron in my opinion, but Levin tore him apart daily on his radio show. He even said that he wouldn't vote for Ron if he was running against Obama. He has no credibility at all when he claims to believe in liberty and limited government.

 

[AuH20]

I don't have much respect for Levin after the way he treated Ron. Hannity was at least respectful to Ron in my opinion, but Levin tore him apart daily on his radio show. He even said that he wouldn't vote for Ron if he was running against Obama. He has no credibility at all when he claims to believe in liberty and limited government.

Levin is a very emotional creature and got embroiled in that massive clash with Jack Hunter & Thomas Woods. Mark can be immature, arrogant and downright despicable, but he understands the underpinnings of the U.S. Constitution. I catch him from time to time. He gets it. It's just so embarrassing that he had to wage war against Ron Paul, Woods and Hunter, when they probably agree with him on 90% of the issues. Instead he starts on a name-calling tirade, since he's overly partial to national security.

 

[TheTexan]

Levin is a very emotional creature and got embroiled in that massive clash with Jack Hunter & Thomas Woods. Mark can be immature, arrogant and downright despicable, but he understands the underpinnings of the U.S. Constitution. I catch him from time to time. He gets it. It's just so embarrassing that he had to wage war against Ron Paul, Woods and Hunter, when they probably agree with him on 90% of the issues. Instead he starts on a name-calling tirade, since he's overly partial to national security.

People lie. They're often very convincing. Many times, they even believe themselves; they think they are telling the truth. However, when they have *zero* conviction behind their words, and are obviously willing and capable to betray their "principles" at the drop of a hat, are they much different than liars, who from outward appearances, appear and behave identically?

 

[Occam's Banana]

He cheered Dubya's every move while it was happening. Called anyone opposed to Bush a "big dummy".

"Big dummy" - for realz? Geez. Even the man's insults suck.

 

[fr33]

"Big dummy" - for realz? Geez. Even the man's insults suck.

Before he had a nationally syndicated show he would come on Hannity's show just to yell at liberal callers and call them names. I don't remember him ever saying anything bad about Bush except for maybe the Harriet Miers nomination but that may be because I don't remember having his show here locally until Obama was president.

 

[Havax]

I think Levin will hate what Rand said today on immigration and officially rail against him.

 

[AuH20]

I think Levin will hate what Rand said today on immigration and officially rail against him.

I think so to. Rand needs to explain this grand bargain. In return for such a grand concession as amnesty, what we will we get in return?

 

[Southerner]

Nothing, NADA, ZIP, SQUAT.