Letterman hates Rand

[Bastiat's The Law]

The bottom line is, this nonsense battle between those that believe Rand is taking the torch from Ron while doing things his way although consistent with the liberty ideals and those that are either stuck in nostalgia or actively view Rand under a microscope and jumping at the first slight deviation from Ron's message has to stop. I assumed the smoke cleared right around the start of the new year yet the next time Rand opens his mouth on the alleged campaign trail and out come the knives. It ain't about holding his feet to the fire it's about him doing things the way you want him to and if you don't get your way then you quit. Gunny is right that we are our worst enemy and we hold ourselves back from reigning in the establishment that is responsible for the wars, the killings, the demise of liberty, jobs, money, you name it. In spite of that, some libertarians save all their venom for Rand and it's got to be amusing to these insiders that absolutely hate Rand cause they know where he stands when push comes to shove yet the puritans amongst us fall for the trap. Also, these so-called libertarian people amongst us that don't want to play the 'restore the GOP game': when people quit for whatever reason or offer excuses as why they don't want to participate, you decrease the liberty movement's influence in said party and that's the main way to analyze how affective the movement is in terms of electing people to office and expanding the "no vote" category in both chambers until we can flip it back towards the people. Lastly, when the allies aren't properly engaged, we hang our brothers and sisters out to dry when they're running for party positions to build on our influence because someone is too high and mighty to engage in party politics, which is as simple as driving to the location, sitting on your ass and voting when the time comes, then we fricking win. After all of the above is digested, can ya help a brotha out? Donate to Gunny and let's move on w/o negativity. Think to yourself now about how you're going to react to the next time Rand freaks you out by trying to pander to another audience. Will the reaction be another excuse to be a cheapskate next time or will people see the bigger picture? Sadly, knowing some in this crowd I know what the answer might be. /establishmentwins

From your keyboard to God's ears my friend. You took everything I was contemplating and put it to print, well said!

 

[TheTyke]

Look, I stopped posting here because we are ALL to eager to turn out our best allies as enemies. I did everything I could to enforce the Constitution and I was too dam radical for the party. i started winning Party leadership (because the party activists mostly agree with us believe it or not) and they brought in Karl Rove to stop me, and he is likely to succede because we all are too dam busy hating our own.

We have to stop and reassess. right the hell now, because we are doing it wrong. these neocon jackasses hate each other but they lay that aside so they can work to defeat us. We are too busy kicking each other out of the club and sitting at home saturated in apathy to actually stand up and stop this.

Jesus people, we have the manpower to overwhelm the establishment in a single year if we would only stop being so damn stupid.

I'm really getting disgruntled here because 1000 people in a single state, which should NOT be a dam challenge at all, wins the whole state but we can't be bothered because Rand is now an enemy.

I don;t even talk to people on RPFs anymore because I'm too dam scared that I'll say one dam thing people don;t get and suddenly I'm the enemy. What the hell is wrong with us?

We can still win, but we have to change the way we do business right the hell now.

Klamath is not your enemy. You don't understand where he;s coming from and I get that. Rand Paul is not your enemy. You don't understand that and i get that.

But until we stop and figure this out we are going to be killing ourselves WAY more effectively than the neocons.

We could crush this whole damn thing in a single year but it's apprant to me that we don;t really want it. It's too important to cast out people who maybe have the wrong color eyes or who wear the wrong cut of suit to come together and fight for a common cause

do we want to win? or do we want to hate on one another and let the neocons win?

That's our choice to make, and heretofore we've been making the wrong choice. So figure it the hell out.

If we don;t want to win let me know and I'll go back to buying food and ammo for the coming conflagration. if we want to win, victory is in our hands. We just have to put our differences aside and seize it.

From where I sit it looks like we don't really want it.

Prove me wrong.

I frikkin beg you please prove me wrong.

Just quoted because this is so critical. This wisdom is coming from one of the most hard-core Ron Paul supporters you will ever find.... as opposed to the voices that try to divide us against each other as Ron warned. And I'm in the same boat.... Ron is who woke me up, still my favorite guy, and I spent countless of hours and far more dollars than I could afford supporting him since 07.... and have continued his advised strategy of working in the party even when distasteful... but the constant attacking of Rand and each other, turning every story into into a sea of negativity have partly driven me off too. We should be encouraging and helping each other, not picking each other apart. Heavens knows, we have enough REAL enemies we barely mention.

We are fighting for our freedom. We are the last line of defense. It's not to feel better after venting, to prove we were right, or a hobby.... We can't afford to lose this battle. Strategy has to be equally important to principle - because we won't win unless our strategy succeeds. And I don't know of a single war that was won firing into our own battle lines in the hope of catching some traitors, even as the real enemy advances toward us.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

You say all of this as though you guys have never been wrong about someone you thought would be a liberty candidate. I had the same feeling about Bentivolio during his campaign...there was something "off" about the guy. He hadn't put his hand down yet from taking the oath of office before he was letting everyone know that he's not a "Ron Paul person".

On the contrary, we've acknowledged he isn't Ron Paul incarnate and has been a disappointment. You win some and you lose some. I'm okay with that because it was still a net gain for liberty. It got our folks in Michigan involved in the process and they got some experience under their belt which will pay dividends in future races; hell maybe the next Congressmen, Senator, future leader, will emerge that previously worked on his campaign. When our people are active and engaged they have an opportunity to shape the GOP and ultimately the direction of their state. It's all about getting the ball rolling since we're starting at zero or behind the 8 ball in many places around the country. Far too many wish to throw the baby out with he bath water here when were doing some tremendous good.

You guys have to be pragmatic enough to see that the good, or mediocre in Bentivolio's case, isn't the enemy of the great. At least there's still some hope that Bentivolio will wise up and join the ranks of Amash and Massie once he sees fundraising and volunteer support dwindling in the district. If the establishment won or the democrat there would zippo, zero, hope for them ever being an ally. And even playing out worse case scenario, saying Bentivolio stays mired in mediocrity, we can still take solace in the fact that we prevented an enemy of liberty from getting elected. We're not going to win every battle, but it's damn well worth trying and giving it a good fight.

 

[Rudeman]

Letterman should retire, he's no longer funny and just goes through the motions. That segment wasn't funny in the slightest, all he did was comment about Rand's hair (also did it the first time). He couldn't even come up with something clever or different to say.

 

[anaconda]

1) There is a UN conspiracy.

2) I thought even the most uninformed people discovered about a year ago that Rand does not wear a hair piece.

Surprising that Dave would stoop to using a petty mistruth.

 

[cajuncocoa]

2) I thought even the most uninformed people discovered about a year ago that Rand does not wear a hair piece.

Surprising that Dave would stoop to using a petty mistruth.

Especially considering Letterman's hair usually looks like a dead animal is sitting on his head!

 

[anaconda]

Especially considering Letterman's hair usually looks like a dead animal is sitting on his head!

Yeah, Dave & Rand actually have very similar hair issues. Both look like toupees but they aren't.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

You say all of this as though you guys have never been wrong about someone you thought would be a liberty candidate. I had the same feeling about Bentivolio during his campaign...there was something "off" about the guy. He hadn't put his hand down yet from taking the oath of office before he was letting everyone know that he's not a "Ron Paul person".

But Rand's actions/votes have been consistently pro-liberty and quite frankly, I'd still take Bentivolio over his predecessor. True, he falls a little short of my fiscal version of a liberty candidate but seems to be improving. My thoughts are that he was originally strung along by Boehner and thought he was safe if he followed along but then he began to see that Boehner could give a flip about him plus the anger of those that donated and volunteered for his election - primary, special and general. Now, he's beginning to see the extent of his mistake and is clearly trying to make restitution and it's obvious by his support for the hemp bill and his vote against CISPA. Tho, since Bentivolio has flipped around on key campaign issues such as promising not to raise the debt limit, he gets no libertarian benefit of the doubt. Rand does as would TMass or JAmash if they were in a situation that forced pandering since their records are in the clear. If JAmash runs for US Senate in MI, do you not think that he might hold back a little in terms of lingo to fit the audience? It'll happen and then people will get bent out of shape, I promise so brace yourselves so you don't quit on him mid-stream.

 

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

so much like the disgusting talking head bastards that are so common at the end of an empire , yeah Dave , we're talking 'bout you

 

[MrGoose]

Why were people laughing. He didn't say anything funny.

Sounded very luke warm to me.

 

[KingRobbStark]

Comedy hates Letterman.

 

[RickyJ]

Letterman is screwing up by having these segments, people really don't think much about politics that watch his show, they just want to hear some good natured comedy guy, and now he is alienating people by having these segments. Sure some might like it, but a lot more will not like it because it is not funny, and it seems many in crowd liked Rand by the clapping I heard when his name was mentioned.

 

[Warlord]

You say all of this as though you guys have never been wrong about someone you thought would be a liberty candidate. I had the same feeling about Bentivolio during his campaign...there was something "off" about the guy. He hadn't put his hand down yet from taking the oath of office before he was letting everyone know that he's not a "Ron Paul person".

LoL Rand Paul is Ron Paul's son and grew up living all his dads campaigns. Bentivolio is some teacher who challenged the incumbent who he would lose massively too and got lucky when his signatures were uncovered to be a fraud. I have no idea how or why he had a forum here. Bentivolio is in congress probably thanks to the most strangest of occurances and didn't win a competitive primary. He'd have trouble holding his congressional seat and has to suck up to the powers that be. Rand is an elected United States senator and the most popular Republican in the nation.

There is no comparison.

 

[puppetmaster]

LoL Rand Paul is Ron Paul's son and grew up living all his dads campaigns. Bentivolio is some teacher who challenged the incumbent who he would lose massively too and got lucky when his signatures were uncovered to be a fraud. I have no idea how or why he had a forum here. Bentivolio is in congress probably thanks to the most strangest of occurances and didn't win a competitive primary. He'd have trouble holding his congressional seat and has to suck up to the powers that be. Rand is an elected United States senator and the most popular Republican in the nation.

There is no comparison.

Bravo

 

[Korey Kaczynski]

Letterman is very irrelevant and I didn't even know he was still on the air...