Letter from Grey Trayson - releases fund raising numbers!

[erowe1]

Is it too soon to start sending letters to the editor to implore Grayson to follow in the footsteps of Romney and suspend his campaign rather than hurt the Republican party by extending the fight that he's bound to end up losing against Rand?

 

[Dreamofunity]

Just the Facts
- 98% of contributions from individuals
- 92% of contributions from Kentucky

I guess senators and their minions count as individuals? I would expect a lot less to come from Kentucky if he raised a lot at the bailout banquet.

 

[Ethek]

Just the Facts
- 98% of contributions from individuals
- 92% of contributions from Kentucky

I guess senators and their minions count as individuals? I would expect a lot less to come from Kentucky if he raised a lot at the bailout banquet.

Sounds like some serious mincing of words. 92% of the number of contributions or the value of contributions?

 

[Ian A.]

- 98% of contributions from individuals
- 92% of contributions from Kentucky

If Rand is asked about this, he should simply say, "That' certainly an interesting way of putting it. My opponent says 98% of contributions, but by no means is that 98% of the wealth."

 

[erowe1]

Sounds like some serious mincing of words. 92% of the number of contributions or the value of contributions?

It's clearly the # of contributions. We can be sure that, when weighted according to amount, it would come out quite differently with a huge portion of his money having come from out of state.

Similarly, notice how he says that 60-some percent were below $200, instead of saying what the average amount was. You can be sure the average amount way more than that.

 

[John Cunningham]

The advantages of the multi-bomb

Remind me why it's a good idea to give up over a half-month of promotion for a money bomb that's likely not going to do anything significant? Well, other than prove that divided money bombs aren't a good idea.

The divided money bomb isn't ideal, but consider the alternative. It's just as bad to have a constant stream of money bombs from a hundred different candidates. Either way, our wallets are bombed out.

The advantage of the multi-bomb is that the press release reads better. Instead of saying Rand raised, say, $200K in yet another money bomb, ho hum, been there, done that, it can say Rand Paul raised $200K as part of the largest, multi-candidate money bomb in history, which raised over $1 million for liberty candidates across the country. Now that's news that will get reported.

 

[Dionysus]

Terrific! Grayson gets completely destroyed by the Rand Paul Revolution machine! Rand raised about 50% more than Grayson this quarter!

BTW, Rand gets a ton of donations from Kentucky, no one really cares about that stupid angle.

Secondly, Gray is going back to a drying well, while we're expanding the message to supporters.

Thirdly, remember Rand's completely dead-on prediction, he will raise more and more every quarter, and his opponents less and less. Starting where we did, there had to be a point when we are equal to Grayson's cash on hand before we skyrocket past him, which happens within days.

We have the momentum. No one can stop this train from rolling.

 

[John Cunningham]

half of the people who have donated to Rand cant even vote for him while almost the majority of Trey's can.

Just being devil's advocate—

Oh, wouldn't it be great if the media wasn't biased against liberty, and the American voter was awake and actively seeking out information to be sure to make the best possible decision at the ballot box. In that case money wouldn't change the outcome.

The sad fact is that money translates into votes. A hundred-dollar donation from out-of-state is worth more than one vote.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

The advantage of the multi-bomb is that the press release reads better. Instead of saying Rand raised, say, $200K in yet another money bomb, ho hum, been there, done that, it can say Rand Paul raised $200K as part of the largest, multi-candidate money bomb in history, which raised over $1 million for liberty candidates across the country. Now that's news that will get reported.

But that's not going to happen.

What makes you believe Paul will take in 200,000 dollars? He didn't even take that in on September 23rd with a month of sole promotion and no spliting of cash. Paul took in $186,000 and even that was mostly because of the 11th hour Ron Paul e-mail and Ron Paul's FaceBook support. Remember Schiff's August 7th money bomb had 350 $100 pledges and went no where. Paul has around 100 $25 pledges currently.

By-and-large, I highly doubt people get excited to donate to many of those candidates on that site.

 

[erowe1]

Remind me why it's a good idea to give up over a half-month of promotion for a money bomb that's likely not going to do anything significant? Well, other than prove that divided money bombs aren't a good idea.

I expect the multi-candidate so-called bomb will be a total flop. Hopefully, after that happens, people will stop suggesting it. But the ones who like that idea are going to keep putting it out there until we throw them a bone, so we might as well get it over with.

 

[georgiaboy]

Oh, wouldn't it be great if the media wasn't biased against liberty, and the American voter was awake and actively seeking out information to be sure to make the best possible decision at the ballot box. In that case money wouldn't change the outcome.

The sad fact is that money translates into votes. A hundred-dollar donation from out-of-state is worth more than one vote.

To your first point, I agree, and it does seem people are waking up more and more to the false dichotomies. If we keep the message alive, it's supporters will keep growing.

Be careful with that last statement, though (I bolded it). RP2008 had plenty of money, and it didn't translate to the votes. Huckabee, on the other hand, had almost no money, and had very good primary results.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

I expect the multi-candidate so-called bomb will be a total flop. Hopefully, after that happens, people will stop suggesting it. But the kids who like that idea are going to keep putting it out there until we throw them a bone, so we might as well get it over with.

That, my friend, is exactly what I'm thinking. This, again, is why I'm glad the multi-candidate money bomb is not on December 16th. It's early enough to recover from.

What I also know is this: Rand Paul raised one million in the third quarter with two money bombs centered around him. Rand Paul will not raise that much in the fourth quarter with two multi-candidate bombs. That is what is generally called a downgrade.

 

[kaleidoscope eyes]

Exciting stuff

 

[erowe1]

half of the people who have donated to Rand cant even vote for him while almost the majority of Trey's can.

"half" vs. "almost the majority"

You, my friend, have mastered the art of political spin.

 

[Dionysus]

RPFIG and erowe, I agree about the multi-candidate bomb. But nothing is stopping us from exercising our freedom to host another bomb or event for Rand. All we need is $100 average from all the past donors, which will be assisted by the emergence of new donors. Christmas is coming and the economy sucks, but I still think it's very doable. Commence brain racking.

 

[thisisengage]

"half" vs. "almost the majority"

You, my friend, have mastered the art of political spin.

Thats how theyre going to play it against Rand, so thats how it was worded.

 

[Chieftain1776]

Yes this guy is going to spin it as outside money trying to influence the kentucky election. This is exactly what he is setting up with that letter.

If he can even get his message out with his measly fund-raising LOL Seriously Grayson got it handed to him. This is a huge victory. I hope the national media picks up on it!

Also who in Kentucky is giving him that money and how much is the average donation... hmmm???? I suspect it's rich bankers like his family that benefit from the bailout and will continue to do so at the expense of other Kentuckians if Grayson & Co get elected.

 

[erowe1]

RPFIG and erowe, I agree about the multi-candidate bomb. But nothing is stopping us from exercising our freedom to host another bomb or event for Rand. All we need is $100 average from all the past donors, which will be assisted by the emergence of new donors. Christmas is coming and the economy sucks, but I still think it's very doable. Commence brain racking.

I don't want to discourage anyone from donating to Rand or any other great candidate, no matter what the occasion. So I hope my snippy comment about a multi-candidate bomb doesn't get taken that way. But we do have another one for Rand coming in December anyway. My own personal preference would be that that one be the only one for the quarter. I agree that it's realistic for Rand to have another million dollar quarter, not only with past donors giving again, but also with a good number of new donors who will get more and more open to the idea of giving once it becomes more and more obvious that they're giving to someone who can win. I just tend to think that we should not try to create the impression that money bombs are the only time to donate, that all we have to do to get more money to Rand is just declare another money bomb any old time we please, or to water down their punch by having too many of them.

 

[Michigan11]

We need to raise $1.5 million this quarter!

 

[Dionysus]

I don't want to discourage anyone from donating to Rand or any other great candidate, no matter what the occasion. So I hope my snippy comment about a multi-candidate bomb doesn't get taken that way. But we do have one coming in December. My own personal preference would be that that one be the only one for the quarter.

When and what's the gimmick for December? If I don't know by now, then it's already destined to be a shitty bomb unless modifications are made. Is it December 16th? I feel like there should be a Christmas Miracle bomb, except maybe we drop the term 'bomb'. People will be in a giving/intoxicated mood. It would be a special mood to harness. December 16th, people are busy getting gifts and stressed out. The 25th, you can take a break from your family to go into the office to donate while drinking a warm alcoholic beverage, or just have the totals running on the comp. Would initiate many conversations about Rand with family members.

+1 on the 1.5 mil

edit: Man, I really like the Christmas Miracle idea. I mean, Christmas themes would be so cool. We could really go to town on it, and it'd be original. I know the Tea Party is cool, but it's been done and I think we should switch things up. December means Christmas! All Christmas marketing would indirectly and subconsciously remind people of the bomb, and there'd be a supernatural aura to it.