Let's list all the potential candidates for President in 2016

[Galileo Galilei]

How is Hillary running a best case scenario? Or do you mean it as a combo? Her D primary, Jeb R primary.

Hilary is less important than Bush. Bush would be easier for Rand to beat in the primary than Rubio. If Hilary runs on the dem side you have the two most establishment candidates possible so Rand stands out more.

 

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

Whoever runs, the Fed wins.

Until we revolt...

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Hilary is less important than Bush. Bush would be easier for Rand to beat in the primary than Rubio. If Hilary runs on the GOP side you have the two most establishment candidates possible so Rand stands out more.

I can imagine there's a route for Bush to take the Florida/GOP Establishment slot over Rubio.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

What's the info on Eric Cantor? I'm finding some people pushing him.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

Whoever runs, the Fed wins.

Until we revolt...

unless Rand Paul wins, then the Fed loses big time.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

I can imagine there's a route for Bush to take the Florida/GOP Establishment slot over Rubio.

if Jeb Bush is running then Rubio isn't. I say Rand vs. Bush is more favorable than Rand vs Rubio.

I see these two candidates as the biggest threat to Rand.

Christie is damaged goods. Huckabee is dangerous because he could swoop in and steal Iowa. Rand has a better chance to win Iowa than NH.

Rubio may not be ready for prime time, and if that is true, then Jeb Bush becomes a more likely candidate. If Rand were running against Bush, even the lew rockwell blog might support Rand.

The keys for Rand to win:

1) keep doing what he is doing, which is basically imitating Ron Paul except for Iran and the Romney endorsement.

2) get Sarah Palin's endorsement.

3) get backing from the Koch brothers.

4) win CPAC at some point without looking like you are trying too hard.

5) win Iowa straw poll the same way, and be ready to win Iowa and get at least 2nd in NH.

6) win NV and SC, or at least 2nd in SC.

7) 2nd in FL

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Ken Cuccinelli is REALLY TERRIBLE on the issues.

From when he was a Virginia State Senator:

During his time in the Senate Cuccinelli took positions opposing abortion, gay marriage, illegal immigration and conservative positions on taxes, government spending, property rights, and the second amendment, while advocating law enforcement

Why am I finding so many people on the web calling him "constitutional conservative" and "libertarian"?

Edit: I read it completely wrong when I posted this. I added the bolded and to make it read correctly.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

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[John F Kennedy III]

Oh ok so you guys are saying Huckabee is legit threat to win Iowa, but not the GOP nomination right?

 

[Galileo Galilei]

Oh ok so you guys are saying Huckabee is legit threat to win Iowa, but not the GOP nomination right?

That's right. He is strong in Iowa and the southern states he won in 2008. he also has a national TV show on Fox. The only way he could win would be if he went into the back room with the GOP bigwigs and told them he would run as a moderate.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

That's right. He is strong in Iowa and the southern states he won in 2008. he also has a national TV show on Fox. The only way he could win would be if he went into the back room with the GOP bigwigs and told them he would run as a moderate.

Thank you. I'm really not sure your average GOP voters will get excited about him come 2016. That's why I asked

Well this thread is meant to be fluid from now to 2016. I might keep him low for now and move him up in the future.

I'm giving slight bumps to 2nd/3rd Tier candidates that could be VP picks, could be put in play and catch on because there seems to be alot of fanfair about minorities at least being the VP picks or because somebody (like Huckabee, Ayotte) can step into a primary and take a state from Rand.

 

[realtonygoodwin]

Does anyone think Michael Bloomberg will run? One has to think he will eventually decide being Emperor of NYC isn't enough. He would take office 3 weeks shy of his 74th birthday.

Bloomberg will be term-limited out of the mayorship in 2014.

Pawlenty and Perry would be Tier 2 candidates, and Huckabee would probably be a Tier 1. And frankly, Rand is probably a Teir 2.


http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/11/2016-gop-presidential-candidates/59351/

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84110.html

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Bloomberg will be term-limited out of the mayorship in 2014.

Pawlenty and Perry would be Tier 2 candidates, and Huckabee would probably be a Tier 1. And frankly, Rand is probably a Teir 2.


http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/11/2016-gop-presidential-candidates/59351/

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84110.html

A Christie run may hinge on how the northeast perceives his handling of Hurricane Sandy.

The first article seems very fair from a mainstream standpoint. Except they ignore Rand.

Comment from there:

The GOP cannot win in 2016.

The ones who make it through the GOP primary cannot win national elections. Rubio is already being characterized as a right wing nut (he's an amateur) because he made stupid creationist remarks (which he probably believes) about the age of the earth. Santorum is a right wing nut job who lost his PA senate seat in 2006 because Pennsylvanians decided he was too far right. Not only will Santorum never win another election, but he's still in denial that Bob Casey beat him by +17 and won re-election in 2012 by +9. Jindal is no longer the amateur who gave the GOP response in 2009, but he signed creationism legislation, and LA is 49th in k-12 performance. Even if he already has smart 2016 advisers on board, Jindal will be easy to portray as a lightweight.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Bloomberg will be term-limited out of the mayorship in 2014.

Pawlenty and Perry would be Tier 2 candidates, and Huckabee would probably be a Tier 1. And frankly, Rand is probably a Teir 2.


http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/11/2016-gop-presidential-candidates/59351/

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84110.html

Do you or anyone else have articles like this that focus on the Democrats?

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Is Luis Fortuno eligible?

 

[jtstellar]

older people are going to moderate themselves come 2016, increasingly approaching their death beds and needing more government handouts. youth will radicalize come 2016. when you analyze demographics and chances of people and the strategy they need, you need to include that. i am suspecting there will be a radical wing of freedom movement come the next few election cycles

 

[realtonygoodwin]

Do you or anyone else have articles like this that focus on the Democrats?

http://news.yahoo.com/top-10-democratic-presidential-contenders-2016-121327378--politics.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/07/u...ook-ahead-to-2016-presidential-prospects.html

 

[John F Kennedy III]

older people are going to moderate themselves come 2016, increasingly approaching their death beds and needing more government handouts. youth will radicalize come 2016. when you analyze demographics and chances of people and the strategy they need, you need to include that. i am suspecting there will be a radical wing of freedom movement come the next few election cycles

If we are here in 2020 I dont see why we couldn't be 30% by then.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Finally finished the republican tiers.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

http://news.yahoo.com/top-10-democratic-presidential-contenders-2016-121327378--politics.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/07/u...ook-ahead-to-2016-presidential-prospects.html

This guy as governor of Cali? Well, you get what you vote for...

9. Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa

Vaulting from mayor to the presidency is a long shot for any politician—even the mayor of the second largest city in the United States. Villaraigosa is one of the highest-profile Latino leaders in the Democratic Party, and he got more attention as chair of the Democratic convention this year. He has said that his eyes are on the governorship of California, not the presidency, after his mayoral term ends in 2013, but Villaraigosa has never been shy of the media spotlight, and you can expect to hear from him in 2016—even if he’s just endorsing someone else.