Let's kill Wal-Mart

[Roxi]

and hey, that freemarketforliberty.com site is awesome... jay and i were talking about doing something like this a few weeks ago

 

[Rhys]

isn't hating walmart a socialist dem thing?

 

[yongrel]

isn't hating walmart a socialist dem thing?

It's a Kucinich thing

 

[Petar]

Walmart is helping 3rd world countries modernize. If walmart were not to bring their stores into china, the Chinese would have worse jobs and would be stuck in subsistance farming. However, Walmart can provide cheaper and better products for the Chinese; Therefore, China can focus on more modern services and products than what Walmart sells. Therefore, giving the Chinese better quality jobs.

I would not cheer for modernized fascism. Besides the domestic problems that are exacerbated by Americans all shopping at Wal-Mart, I would love to see Wal-Mart lose all of its American business for the simple fact that China is fascist, and it's immoral that we sponsor fascism. Maybe then China's government would adopt greater liberty, if we'd only give them money in that case. Nonetheless, it is our domestic issues that we need to focus on first, and the fact of the matter is that we as a people could make much better use of the money we spend on Wal-Mart, if we'd only use it to support liberty instead.

 

[Kludge]

For those advocating the end of the currently dismal minimum wage, why not similar dissatifaction towards over-blown executive salaries, perks, and severance packages?

It is the minimum wage earners fault that the economy is in decline, not Enron type executives, unscrupulous private parties, greedy lenders, apathetic politicians, thieves, and con men.

Who is exploiting people and weakening civil society?

The person flipping your burger or cleaning your toilet. Makes perfect sense.

Silly Boots, this has nothing to do with who I like or am blaming (politicians, for the record). No one is entitled to artificially inflated wages, and certainly not entitlements from the government.

Do you disagree that Walmart goes to China for cheap labor?

 

[Petar]

isn't hating walmart a socialist dem thing?

Yeah, Hillary Clinton really hated Wal-Mart when she was on its board, and it must be pretty socialist of me to suggest that we should use the free-market to take away their business for ourselves.

 

[Ozwest]

Well, I don't believe in minimum or maximum wages, but I certainly don't appreciate criminals in the market place, particularly the super rich ones like Enron executives who cause the most damage.

People need to realize that it is crime, and not capitalism itself that needs to be controlled.

The simple fact of the matter is that the bigger the government, then the less power people have over it, so the easier it is for criminals to penetrate.

The federal reserve system would be a prime example of the biggest criminals in the world, in collusion with some of the biggest government in the world, causing some of the worst destruction possible within a society.

So no, I don't want a maximum wage, I want a smaller government, and that would be the opposite.

So hopefully, when the Fed is abolished one day, then maybe the criminals who run it can actually see justice at some point.

That's the dream anyways...

I agree with the majority of your points, but call me a socialist if you like...

Entrusting mega corporations with the security and determination of nations and societies based on global capitalism is not what the founding fathers envisioned.

Already, America is heading towards a corporate-fascist state.

 

[libertea]

Same with me! NO jobs in Utah, Walmart though was hiring. Unless someone here can pay me to stay home then I need a job.

Vote for Obama and you will be more likely to get paid to stay home.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Well, if the 1.2 million people who voted for Ron all list their businesses here: www.freemarketforliberty.com then you'll probably have a lot of places to shop that may be competitive, and may provide you with the added bonus of supporting liberty campaigns (a tool will be added to show this).

Many of these businesses may sell made in America products to, so all in all it will be very excellent for America.

Talk to the "globalizers". BTW, it ain't the people, and NEVER was.

 

[Ozwest]

Silly Boots, this has nothing to do with who I like or am blaming (politicians, for the record). No one is entitled to artificially inflated wages, and certainly not entitlements from the government.

Do you disagree that Walmart goes to China for cheap labor?

Minimum wage earners are not on artificially inflated wages. Many executives are.

I do not disagree with Walmart, or any other business pursuing financial advantage.

But... You as a citizen, should be prepared for catastrophic consequences, and the continuing demise of home-grown talent, and infrastructure.

As many of these corporations have benefited from hard working Americans, taxpayers infrastructure investment, and environmental liberties... Is it not commiserate, that these corporations invest in the community and nation that sustained them?

Or is that socialism?

 

[Truth Warrior]

I agree with the majority of your points, but call me a socialist if you like...

Entrusting mega corporations with the security and determination of nations and societies based on global capitalism is not what the founding fathers envisioned.

Already, America is heading towards a corporate-fascist state.

I like!

A socialist barbarian viking Neaderthal Aussie.

That works!

Oh, you mean the "evolved" to "Corporate State of Amerika"?

 

[Ozwest]

I like!

A socialist barbarian viking Neaderthal Aussie.

That works!

Oh, you mean the "evolved" to "Corporate State of Amerika"?

You forgot Amerika schooled and raised 7 - 24.

I have a heavy American accent, with the hint of slightly Northwest Barbarian.

My fellow Neanderthals keep "ribbing " me about it.

I am an outcast.

 

[Kludge]

Minimum wage earners are not on artificially inflated wages. Many executives are.

I must have heard that wrong... Why do we need a mandated minimum wage if their labor is already valued highly enough to receive those wages?

The share holders are the property owners, the CEO is usually the largest (or at least one of the largest) owner of the corporation. It is the duty of shareholders to vote out the abusive and incompetent board of directors and those who inflate their wage beyond their ability. The labor of a skill-less worker is tedious, but there is low risk if that person messes up. An entire corporation can become FUBAR without proper administration.

But... You as a citizen, should be prepared for catastrophic consequences, and the continuing demise of home-grown talent, and infrastructure.

Again, this is the failure of a government following the whims of its people. Labor should not be worth any more or less based on the nation you live in. If skill-less labor is high in supply, it must be accepted that price (wages) will be low.

As many of these corporations have benefited from hard working Americans, taxpayers infrastructure investment, and environmental liberties... Is it not commiserate, that these corporations invest in the community and nation that sustained them?

Or is that socialism?

That is socialism, bordering Communism. It is the duty of entrepreneurs to supply demand, that is all (unless they are a public company, in which case they have responsibilities to the shareholders). When someone chooses to invest money, they are already doing everyone a great favor. They provide direct jobs, tax revenue and indirect jobs by demanding more resources.

 

[Truth Warrior]

You forgot Amerika schooled and raised 7 - 24.

I have a heavy American accent, with the hint of slightly Northwest Barbarian.

My fellow Neanderthals keep "ribbing " me about it.

I am an outcast.

There too, hunh?

 

[KenInMontiMN]

The unchecked rise of corporatism is largely what has brought up the the point we're at; the traditional responsibility of gov't to keep such things broken up into smaller disconnected pieces has been almost completely abdicated. Walmart is merely a symptom of the rise in forces Andrew Jackson for one fought so hard to control and break up.

 

[Truth Warrior]

The unchecked rise of corporatism is largely what has brought up the the point we're at; the traditional responsibility of gov't to keep such things broken up into smaller disconnected pieces has been almost completely abdicated. Walmart is merely a symptom of the rise in forces Andrew Jackson for one fought so hard to control and break up.

Through active and willing actions over time on the part of the "bought and paid for" governments, courtesy of the voters mainly and ALL of the American taxpayers.

 

[Petar]

Obviously our politicians sold us all down the river a long time ago, but that does not change the fact that we can still use what is left of our free market so that we can make money for ourselves, and then use that money to change the politics that need to be changed.

Unless someone here knows how to change politics without $$$

1.2 million liberty lovers is a potential gold mine, and I still maintain that we could find much better uses for all of the money that Walmart makes in America.

1 - Companies that support liberty campaigns
2 - Made in USA products

 

[Ozwest]

I must have heard that wrong... Why do we need a mandated minimum wage if their labor is already valued highly enough to receive those wages?

The share holders are the property owners, the CEO is usually the largest (or at least one of the largest) owner of the corporation. It is the duty of shareholders to vote out the abusive and incompetent board of directors and those who inflate their wage beyond their ability. The labor of a skill-less worker is tedious, but there is low risk if that person messes up. An entire corporation can become FUBAR without proper administration.


Again, this is the failure of a government following the whims of its people. Labor should not be worth any more or less based on the nation you live in. If skill-less labor is high in supply, it must be accepted that price (wages) will be low.



That is socialism, bordering Communism. It is the duty of entrepreneurs to supply demand, that is all (unless they are a public company, in which case they have responsibilities to the shareholders). When someone chooses to invest money, they are already doing everyone a great favor. They provide direct jobs, tax revenue and indirect jobs by demanding more resources.

Hooly Dooly!

You are a self-righteous capitalist.

How dare others question the omnipotent guidance of those who "choose" to do great favors?

Sorry, but I owned and ran a mid sized business for many years, and was indebted to my community, and the employees who helped my business thrive.

Guess I'm old-fashioned.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Obviously our politicians sold us all down the river a long time ago, but that does not change the fact that we can still use what is left of our free market so that we can make money for ourselves, and then use that money to change the politics that need to be changed.

Unless someone here knows how to change politics without $$$

1.2 million liberty lovers is a potential gold mine, and I still maintain that we could find much better uses for all of the money that Walmart makes in America.

1 - Companies that support liberty campaigns
2 - Made in USA products

And yet they just keep on getting elected , reelected and rereelected. Go figure. Surely if the voters disapproved and disliked their performances, they'd just fire their sorry asses. Wouldn't ya think?

 

[Kludge]

Hooly Dooly!

You are a self-righteous capitalist.

How dare others question the omnipotent guidance of those who "choose" to do great favors?

Sorry, but I owned and ran a mid sized business for many years, and was indebted to my community, and the employees who helped my business thrive.

Guess I'm old-fashioned.

This is why altruism fails. Those blessed givers of joy and life expect something in return and it is given due to the socially accepted "moral obligation" receivers have (by the way, what gift were you given by the "community"?). Capitalism doesn't function rationally or efficiently when that happens and pretty soon you have corporations like Target giving 5% of their profits away.

Joining a true Commune is only possible under an otherwise anarchic society, something I'm hoping against.