Leftists surging on the internet

[Jeremy]

Ah yes, you have been hanging with the Groupthink crowd too much. You're pulling out the ol' "conspiracy theory" card awfully fast there, Cap'n. They've had an influence on you.

Whether they're paid or not, he's right: Debating or trying to reason with them is a waste of time and will sap your energy.

Saying that people who disagree with you are paid money to disagree with you would be a conspiracy theory. Why would we waste our time with claims like that instead of arguing our case and explaining why they are wrong?

Maybe the left thinks we're all paid by the Koch brothers!

 

[hard@work]

It's time to present an articulate and powerful response to the people. It's time to force the intellectual debate into open honesty, and the intellectually dishonest back into the shadow where they belong.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Agreed. It'll be a more traditional campaign. Don't think Ron Paul will be the "internet candidate" this time around; will probably be Sarah Palin (something like 2 million Facebook fans) or something.

I don't think Ron Paul was ever the "internet candidate". Obama has 19,500,000 likes on facebook, Ron Paul has 300,000. That's not even the same ballpark. Maybe he was in terms of "noise" and a more vocal following, but not in terms of numbers.

Regardless Ron Paul has much more support now than he did in 2007 and that support will be back when we get closer. Outside of a small minority of news geeks like us most people are not paying attention to election 2012 yet. Give it another 8 months.

 

[American Idol]

Saying that people who disagree with you are paid money to disagree with you would be a conspiracy theory. Why would we waste our time with claims like that instead of arguing our case and explaining why they are wrong?

The way you described the place, they don't want to hear that they are wrong. They want to engage in Groupthink orgy, make you feel stupid, sap your energy, and bring out the worst in you.

Maybe the left thinks we're all paid by the Koch brothers!

Maybe some of us are? MMMWWWUUUUUUUUHAHAHAH! :collins:

 

[BlackTerrel]

No time to read this thread, but these are not leftists, they are PAID provocateurs. This is the old form of cold-war warfare revised - Propaganda. Don't engage these people, just post the truth and leave it at that. Their goal is to sap your energy and bring out your worst and keep you occupied from winning this race.

Why doesn't someone start a fund to pay people to promote Ron Paul on the internet? Pay me $15/hour and I'm in.

Sorry, but that is not remotely true. Why is it so hard to believe that there are people on the internet who don't like Ron Paul? We don't need random conspiracy theories like this.

No way. Ron Paul is at 99.99% approval rating. The only ones who oppose him are paid.

 

[Jeremy]

The way you described the place, they don't want to hear that they are wrong. They want to engage in Groupthink orgy, make you feel stupid, sap your energy, and bring out the worst in you.

Maybe the left thinks we're all paid by the Koch brothers!

Maybe some of us are? MMMWWWUUUUUUUUHAHAHAH! :collins:

Well people don't think like that- "I don't want to hear I am wrong!"

Instead it's- "I am right!"

It's not like they think there is any truth to opposing views. Same for us. (But at least we don't close ourselves off from them.)

 

[JCLibertarian]

The "Hive Mind" hasn't left the Church, the Nation State is their God, who can cure all perceived ills that defy economic laws and project their moral values on others through force. The all knowing and objective power of the State is their God, and the Statist Democracy is their particular denomination.

 

[SimpleName]

Net neutrality may be a big piece of the pie. Techies see opposition to net neutrality as the ultimate evil. As they are the main component (maybe) of these social news sites, I'd imagine Ron rejecting it makes them feel like he is selling out. Sad part is, I don't see net neutrality as all that bad of an idea. Public land, public access. Therefore, the public should have some say. Nevermind how awful the experience will become when ISPs, who have a death grip already, can throttle access to the main media hubs. So don't expect the techies to be quite so giddy about the campaign when you oppose their must-have policy.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

 

[Sola_Fide]

The "Hive Mind" hasn't left the Church, the Nation State is their God, who can cure all perceived ills that defy economic laws and project their moral values on others through force. The all knowing and objective power of the State is their God, and the Statist Democracy is their particular denomination.

^^^Probably one of the most accurate descriptions of secularism I've ever read on this site.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

People are reading even if you get downvoted. We just have to turn this election into a lesser of two evils. And the two choices are Paul and Obama.

You mean Paul and "everybody else." We have to get through a GOP primary first...

 

[squarepusher]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20057611-503544.html

 

[hugolp]

Its reddit, not the internet.

Previous to reddit, there was Digg, but it went too commercial and the people left. So now it seems reddit its like the place to be. But it wont go far. The reason is precisely the hivemind and the hipsterish.

 

[S.Shorland]

People who post are lonelier than most.

 

[Seraphim]

This is true.

Real liberals are fiscally conservative and are as anti big govt as we are.

Liberal does not equal socialist.

I disagree. I think liberals are easier to covert than leftists. All you have to do is get them to understand a little economics. When you have drug warriors and warmongers, I think most of them are lost causes.

 

[sailingaway]

In 2007, I don't remember such a large amount of leftists in the various internet communities. Right now on Reddit, there is a popular anti Ron Paul post on the front page. Reddit has been like this for some time and I think it's a reaction to the tea party. They call themselves the "hive mind," always agreeing with each other on their leftist/atheist positions.

I remember in 2007, Digg.com was all pro-Paul. Then when he started losing in 2008, it switched to pro-Obama. I just don't think we are going to have this huge internet support like we did in 2007. And we probably need to forget about the liberals and focus on the conservatives / apathetics. The problem is that the liberals on the internet are converting apathetics too.

Their netroots has been growing. They were out in force against Rand during the recent election.

But I disagree strongly on forgetting about the liberals. The first two comments I saw defending Ron on a WaPo article yesterday were people who said they were registered democrats who would crawl over broken glass to vote for Ron Paul. Unfortunately, they didn't include in their comments the magic words 'change registration to vote in the primary', but I hope that will occur to them.

 

[Jeremy]

Its reddit, not the internet.

Previous to reddit, there was Digg, but it went too commercial and the people left. So now it seems reddit its like the place to be. But it wont go far. The reason is precisely the hivemind and the hipsterish.

Both websites have already "went far" and are very popular.

 

[sailingaway]

paid for by who and how do you know? I don't think there's much evidence for that..

I have no idea about reddit per se but wasn't there a news story the other day about the FBI joining online social networks?

 

[AdamT]

Remember, their guy is in the WH and is up for re-election.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Sorry, but that is not remotely true. Why is it so hard to believe that there are people on the internet who don't like Ron Paul? We don't need random conspiracy theories like this.

It IS true. I am quite versed in human nature. To the experienced eye, they become all too obvious. And there's a simple way to actually verify it. Call them on it, and they sh*t themselves and suddenly retreat into silence. They have not been trained to deal with being caught out. Now obviously some are just idiots with nothing better to do, but some ARE trained and paid propagandists. If you haven't worked out yet that this is an all-out information war, you're not going to be as effective in this campaign as you might otherwise be. The most inexpensive way to damage public opinion is to employ people to target an individual online and attack. And when one person has 4 or 5 usernames going at once, they can create quite the storm in the teacup. Please stop being so naive.