Lefties Call for Alliance with Paulies Against War

[banemaler]

There will be a meeting of the minds on December 20th, on the DailyKos Message Boards. I encourage all interested in this alliance to attend. Note: There is a 24 hour block on posting for new members

Wed Dec 16, 2009 | DailyKos
Citing Dr. Ron Paul's clear and unambiguous "non-interventionist" platform which condemns US troop presence in Iraq and Afghanistan, anti-war speakers at a rally headlined "No You Can't" called for an alliance between anti-war left and anti-war right on war and peace issues. Organized by the newly-formed anti-war coalition End US Wars, the rally was held in Lafayette Park in front of the White House last Saturday. The coalition announced a new alliance of national and grass-roots antiwar organizations and more than 100 leading peace activists. It featured a joint appearance of four former presidential candidates, former Democratic Senator Mike Gravel, Rep. Dennis Kucinich, former Rep. Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader.
Newsblaze reported:
"Rally organizers are calling for the left to end its support for Obama now that he has committed to a troop surge, and to condemn and oppose Obama's war policy. In addition, the process will begin to replace Obama with an anti-war candidate, and to remove any pro-war legislators. Protests will intensify..."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/16/815000/-Lefties-Call-for-Alliance-with-Paulies-Against-War

 

[banemaler]

This stems from the first major event to oppose the Obama administrations aggressive occupations and assaults on Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.
Footage of the event can be found here:
www.enduswars.org

We are encouraging everyone to get endorsements for this organization and the one headed by Cindy Sheehan to have an indefinite camp out at the Washington Monument in March.
We are currently promoting sending e-mails/faxes/phone calls for endorsements and speaking engagements to

Young Americans for Liberty
Campaign for Liberty
Ron Paul
All liberty candidates for 2010

Your prompt action is greatly appreciated!

 

[lester1/2jr]

we saw each other at anti war rallies anyway

 

[Matt Collins]

Great.... now if we can just get the conservatives/rights to understand that being conservative means opposing big-government abroad too. And if we can get the liberals/lefts to understand that having big-government at home is just as bad as having it abroad.

 

[banemaler]

Cindy Sheehan, Peace of the Action

First major act of civil disobedience begins March 20th, they plan to camp out like they did at Camp Casey, except this time at the Washington Monument. A tent city for jobless and war resisters.
YouTube - Peace Of The Action

 

[Mini-Me]

The anti-war left is coming back? If so...YAYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

 

[lester1/2jr]

but realize this is the ONE and ONLY thing we are gonna agree on

 

[Mini-Me]

but realize this is the ONE and ONLY thing we are gonna agree on

That's not necessarily true. We actually have a lot more in common with activists on the left: Ending NSA wiretapping and other unconstitutional surveillance, ending the Patriot Act, protecting the Fourth Amendment in general, reinstating habeas corpus (and ending Guantanamo Bay), ending torture, etc. Also, even if they're not on board with ending the war on drugs, a lot of lefties at least want to end the war on marijuana.

 

[amy31416]

That's not necessarily true. We actually have a lot more in common with activists on the left: Ending NSA wiretapping and other unconstitutional surveillance, ending the Patriot Act, protecting the Fourth Amendment in general, reinstating habeas corpus (and ending Guantanamo Bay), ending torture, etc. Also, even if they're not on board with ending the war on drugs, a lot of lefties at least want to end the war on marijuana.

We differ great|y on domestic economic po|icy, which is a|most irre|evant at this point anyways, considering that we're a|most broke and Bernanke's made mention that he'd just |ove to raid socia| security next. Speaking of which, most are a|so on board to audit the Fed.

I can dea| with those differences. If we can get our gov't to stop bombing the shit out of everything that moves that's anywhere near oi| or Israe|, that'd be great. Then we can debate on the rest of the crap.

0h, and one other thing that many of us have some common ground with the |eft is the environment. 0f course, they are in it for different reasons and think the gov't can so|ve the prob|ems, whi|e we're in it for conservation, se|f-re|iance and because it's conservative to grow your own food and use a|ternative, renewab|e sources of energy, etc.

 

[paulpwns]

That's not necessarily true. We actually have a lot more in common with activists on the left: Ending NSA wiretapping and other unconstitutional surveillance, ending the Patriot Act, protecting the Fourth Amendment in general, reinstating habeas corpus (and ending Guantanamo Bay), ending torture, etc. Also, even if they're not on board with ending the war on drugs, a lot of lefties at least want to end the war on marijuana.

When I was younger these were the only issues that I cared about. I realized freedom was much broader after that, when I found Harry Browne on the Internet.
Prior to that I was a card carrying liberal. I didn't know any better. At least I came to my senses early. My point is that people sensitive to these issues can be brought to our tent.

 

[Imperial]

Your dkos link is dead. I'd really like to check it out, as somehow I didn't see this and I lurk on DKos every day and post fairly often.

 

[dannno]

but realize this is the ONE and ONLY thing we are gonna agree on

boooooo

 

[banemaler]

Update

Link to the thread fixed

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/16/815000/-Lefties-Call-for-Alliance-with-Paulies-Against-War

 

[Old Ducker]

We differ great|y on domestic economic po|icy, which is a|most irre|evant at this point anyways, considering that we're a|most broke and Bernanke's made mention that he'd just |ove to raid socia| security next. Speaking of which, most are a|so on board to audit the Fed.

I can dea| with those differences. If we can get our gov't to stop bombing the shit out of everything that moves that's anywhere near oi| or Israe|, that'd be great. Then we can debate on the rest of the crap.

0h, and one other thing that many of us have some common ground with the |eft is the environment. 0f course, they are in it for different reasons and think the gov't can so|ve the prob|ems, whi|e we're in it for conservation, se|f-re|iance and because it's conservative to grow your own food and use a|ternative, renewab|e sources of energy, etc.

Is there something wrong with your "l" key or are u inventing a new chat fad?

 

[Mach]

Mine as well at least have some kind of constructive communication, maybe it'll help get rid of the old divide and conquer motif.

Hell, I'll even try not to sit around and text a bunch of I told you so's regarding Obama's current "Change."


Reps and Dems
Different paths
Same destination... destined-nation.

 

[Bruno]

This may give them more ammunition

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=223463

 

[AuH20]

If I remember correctly, I was banned from Kos for making innocent comments.

 

[AuH20]

but realize this is the ONE and ONLY thing we are gonna agree on

I agree with them on habitat preservation. Besides that, they're our mortal enemy. Let's be serious here. The modern-day left views you & I, as nothing more than an unidentifiable cog in their utopia steamroller. With that said, hopefully some progress is made in this uneasy alliance.

 

[AuH20]

That's not necessarily true. We actually have a lot more in common with activists on the left: Ending NSA wiretapping and other unconstitutional surveillance, ending the Patriot Act, protecting the Fourth Amendment in general, reinstating habeas corpus (and ending Guantanamo Bay), ending torture, etc. Also, even if they're not on board with ending the war on drugs, a lot of lefties at least want to end the war on marijuana.

What about the ADL and other left wing organizations that besmirch us as violent racists? I hate to be the dick in the group, but we need to hammer out some things with them. These are serious, damaging allegations which should not be taken lightly.

 

[Mini-Me]

What about the ADL and other left wing organizations that besmirch us as violent racists? I hate to be the dick in the group, but we need to hammer out some things with them. These are serious, damaging allegations which should not be taken lightly.

I usually don't even call them the ADL. I call them the Defamation League, so that should reveal something about my opinion of them. The ADL, SPLC, CFR, and all these other alphabet soup NGO's are run by some seriously twisted and evil people, so I don't think we'll ever be able to "hammer things out" with them. They will always be our enemies, because their stated purpose is nothing but a legitimizing cover story, and the true purpose behind their very existence is antithetical to liberty.

I think it's important to separate the ADL, SPLC, and Democratic Party from the liberal base though, for the same reason it's important to separate the PNAC and Republican Party from the conservative base. Not every liberal is Rahm Emanuel, for the same reason not every conservative is Dick Cheney. Sure, a lot of deluded liberals are rabid anti-capitalists, much like a lot of deluded conservatives are rabid pro-war neocons, but a lot of people on both sides are reachable, and we can always make temporary alliances with both on common issues. (Besides, I think it's actually harder to convert neocons on war and civil liberties than it is to convert liberals on economics and gun rights.)

Although totalitarian communists are our true archenemies (as our polar opposites), I think that in a lot of ways, the neocons are even greater enemies of ours than the liberals. Whereas the liberals are clearly opposed to us on domestic policy, the neocons pretend to defend "free market capitalism" while pushing heavily regulated corporatist markets in reality (much like the Democrats). After all, if it weren't for all the pro-war, anti-civil liberties, pro-corporate welfare fascism coming out of the Republican camp, we wouldn't have seen so many liberals seduced by socialism in the first place.

On a totally unrelated note, I'm wondering the same thing as OldDucker: What's up with your 'l' key, Aimee?

EDIT: I should add, most of the comments at the DailyKos link are very encouraging. It's always good to see liberals want to join with us on common issues, and it's really nice to see them speak up against the few that are hellbent on smearing us as racists and anti-semites. Considering DailyKos is pretty much the home of the hardest-core partisan liberals, this is good progress. Besides, this kind of progress in communication and understanding is a prerequisite to ever reaching them on economic issues.