Freedomseeker
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New here and hopefully not stepping on anyone's toes with this thread (maybe it has been brought up before, or recently).
I have tried, time and again, to find a group of people I can talk with about my concerns and questions, without it being out there and extreme. Feel like I have here...
I have a few questions about some things. I have researched this idea of "sovereignty", although there are some pretty radical people out there, who practice it and go way over (would rather find people who are practical about it all).
Here is my question. Is it possible to be a "sovereign citizen" as our founding fathers had in mind, and yet live within the laws we have, or is it impossible? Here is one shining example of my feelings and frustrations.
We take tents camping, and so we do go to parks where there are some amenities. We pay our share to use the park (I am ok with this for the idea of maintenance). We are of limited income, and with two kids who look forward to this, it is our one way to have some enjoyment. When we arrive, the first order is to find some firewood....
NO!! Park people have a fit and say you can't collect firewood, you have to buy it from them (OK, like I said, we live in the Pacific NW and it is FULL of dead wood, EVERYWHERE). This is state parks and also other.
As I said, we have limited funds and cannot keep putting $$$ out to buy this and buy that when we get there. I attempt to explain this, but they are really unreasonable about it (we have had to get a refund, pack up and leave for another spot due to the stinking rules!).
Another example. Where the heck have all the open spaces gone to all of the sudden? We live near a river in the NW and went to pick up a few buckets of sand (this is along a volcano drainage, and has umpteen feet of sand in every direction) to try to amend soggy soil for a vegetable garden (we want to be independent by doing something for ourselves), we cannot "buy" sand. As well, we BBQ by wood fire and wanted some of the washed down storm wood for it, and neither can be collected per the "rules" of this park, although this wood impeded beach goers in the summer (we felt we were doing a bit if a service by helping clear the rivers beach).
As I said, we live with a smaller income right now, and simply want to use the resources around us only for our own personal use, not to financially benefit, and find it outrageous that there is no such thing as an open space where one can collect wood, sand, rocks or such.
Why the HUGE amount of rules and laws, which makes it impossible for people like ourselves to do stuff that could better our lives and maybe just lift the financial burden on our limited budgets?
We love this country and all it was...seems that what it is now is not something we love at all. Can we Americans use the resources around us without impediment (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...), or do we have to fight for that now?
I have tried, time and again, to find a group of people I can talk with about my concerns and questions, without it being out there and extreme. Feel like I have here...
I have a few questions about some things. I have researched this idea of "sovereignty", although there are some pretty radical people out there, who practice it and go way over (would rather find people who are practical about it all).
Here is my question. Is it possible to be a "sovereign citizen" as our founding fathers had in mind, and yet live within the laws we have, or is it impossible? Here is one shining example of my feelings and frustrations.
We take tents camping, and so we do go to parks where there are some amenities. We pay our share to use the park (I am ok with this for the idea of maintenance). We are of limited income, and with two kids who look forward to this, it is our one way to have some enjoyment. When we arrive, the first order is to find some firewood....
NO!! Park people have a fit and say you can't collect firewood, you have to buy it from them (OK, like I said, we live in the Pacific NW and it is FULL of dead wood, EVERYWHERE). This is state parks and also other.
As I said, we have limited funds and cannot keep putting $$$ out to buy this and buy that when we get there. I attempt to explain this, but they are really unreasonable about it (we have had to get a refund, pack up and leave for another spot due to the stinking rules!).
Another example. Where the heck have all the open spaces gone to all of the sudden? We live near a river in the NW and went to pick up a few buckets of sand (this is along a volcano drainage, and has umpteen feet of sand in every direction) to try to amend soggy soil for a vegetable garden (we want to be independent by doing something for ourselves), we cannot "buy" sand. As well, we BBQ by wood fire and wanted some of the washed down storm wood for it, and neither can be collected per the "rules" of this park, although this wood impeded beach goers in the summer (we felt we were doing a bit if a service by helping clear the rivers beach).
As I said, we live with a smaller income right now, and simply want to use the resources around us only for our own personal use, not to financially benefit, and find it outrageous that there is no such thing as an open space where one can collect wood, sand, rocks or such.
Why the HUGE amount of rules and laws, which makes it impossible for people like ourselves to do stuff that could better our lives and maybe just lift the financial burden on our limited budgets?
We love this country and all it was...seems that what it is now is not something we love at all. Can we Americans use the resources around us without impediment (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...), or do we have to fight for that now?
