Latest presidential polling: Biden 51 Trump 49

[Anti Federalist]

A new Emerson College Polling national survey of voters finds President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump tied at 45% in a November general election matchup, while 10% are undecided. When undecided voters are asked which candidate they lean toward, Biden’s overall support increases to 51% and Trump to 49%

 

[Snowball]

And if Michelle joins the ticket it will go to 62%

 

[oyarde]

my gut is probably accurate

 

[CaptUSA]

Polling is just there to provide plausibility to whatever they want the outcome to be. We always have to remember that we're not seeing democratic elections any more. We're seeing the CIA "manage" election outcomes in the US the same way they've done in other countries for decades. It is possible to overcome that manipulation, but you either have to catch them by surprise or have two conflicting arms of the agency working against each other (like in 2016).

The idea that they'd willingly allow someone who is a threat to their power win is just silly.

 

[WarriorLiberty]

51% seems to want more migrants into their communities being flown by the Govt.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Polling is just there to provide plausibility to whatever they want the outcome to be. We always have to remember that we're not seeing democratic elections any more. We're seeing the CIA "manage" election outcomes in the US the same way they've done in other countries for decades. It is possible to overcome that manipulation, but you either have to catch them by surprise or have two conflicting arms of the agency working against each other (like in 2016).

The idea that they'd willingly allow someone who is a threat to their power win is just silly.

Oh sure, no doubt.

But I am not at all convinced that this is a false number entirely.

Yes, roughly half the voting public, likes things just the way they are and want more.

Especially the young.

ETA, from the Emerson poll -

“Biden leads Trump among voters under 30, 43% to 37%, with 20% undecided. When these voters are forced to choose between Biden and Trump and their support is included in the total, 58% support Biden and 42% Trump,” Spencer Kimball, executive director of Emerson College Polling, said.

Haley primary voters break for Biden in the general election, 63% to 27%, with 10% undecided. In 2020 these voters broke for Biden 52% to 36%.

 

[unknown]

What were the polls saying in 2016?

 

[A Son of Liberty]

my gut is probably accurate

My gut is upset that 51% of my copatriots would vote for a octogenarian, demented (and I only mean that in the best possible way), crooked, lying huckster than just a regular old lying huckster. What the H E double hockey sticks is this country coming to!?

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Polling is just there to provide plausibility to whatever they want the outcome to be. We always have to remember that we're not seeing democratic elections any more. We're seeing the CIA "manage" election outcomes in the US the same way they've done in other countries for decades. It is possible to overcome that manipulation, but you either have to catch them by surprise or have two conflicting arms of the agency working against each other (like in 2016).

The idea that they'd willingly allow someone who is a threat to their power win is just silly.

Yeah this probably about right. Once we get back to no outliers running, they'll go ahead and "let" us "vote" again.

What a time to be alive, kids.

 

[oyarde]

My gut is upset that 51% of my copatriots would vote for a octogenarian, demented (and I only mean that in the best possible way), crooked, lying huckster than just a regular old lying huckster. What the H E double hockey sticks is this country coming to!?

future appears grim

 

[Anti Globalist]

This is what happens when you nominate someone based on feels, vibes, and gut feelings. Trump supporters are going to learn the hard way that those things don't determine elections.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

future appears grim

Yep. In both my gut and yours.

I've said it before on these forums somewhere, but I'm just hoping to get out of here before it gets too sh!tty...

 

[69360]

I think 2 way polling is not accurate this time. There is going to be Ross Perot levels of 3rd party votes with those 2 again.

RCP average 5 way is Trump 41 Biden 38 Kennedy 12. Rest single digit.

 

[Mach]

Polling is just there to provide plausibility to whatever they want the outcome to be. We always have to remember that we're not seeing democratic elections any more. We're seeing the CIA "manage" election outcomes in the US the same way they've done in other countries for decades. It is possible to overcome that manipulation, but you either have to catch them by surprise or have two conflicting arms of the agency working against each other (like in 2016).

The idea that they'd willingly allow someone who is a threat to their power win is just silly.

Don't even remember where this came from, but, either way, true, or not, they have always been there.

So, if you want to understand, if you really want to understand how the American government actually works at the highest levels, and if you want to know why they don't teach history anymore, one thing you should know is that the most popular president in American history was Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon. Yet somehow, without a single vote being cast by a single American voter, Richard Nixon was kicked out of office and replaced by the only unelected president in American history. So, we went for the most popular president to a president nobody voted for. Wait a minute, you may ask, why didn't I know that? Wasn't Richard Nixon a criminal?

Wasn't he despised by all decent people? No, he wasn't. In fact, if any president could claim to be the people's choice, it was Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon was re-elected in 1972 by the largest margin of the popular vote ever recorded before or since. Nixon got 17 million more votes than his opponent. Less than two years later, he was gone. He was forced to resign and in his place, an obedient servant of the federal agencies called Gerald Ford took over the White House.

How did that happen? Well, it's a long story, but here are the highlights and they tell you a lot. Richard Nixon believes that elements in the federal bureaucracy were working to undermine the American system of government and had been doing that for a long time. He often said that. He was absolutely right. On June 23, 1972, Nixon met with the then–CIA director, Richard Helms, at the White House. During the conversation, which thankfully was tape-recorded, Nixon suggested he knew "who shot John," meaning President John F. Kennedy. Nixon further implied that the CIA was directly involved in Kennedy's assassination, which we now know it was. Helms's telling response? Total silence, but for Nixon, it didn't matter because it was already over. Four days before, on June 19, The Washington Post had published the first of many stories about a break-in at the Watergate office building.

Unbeknownst to Nixon and unreported by The Washington Post, four of the five burglars worked for the CIA. The first of many dishonest Watergate stories was written by a 29-year-old metro reporter called Bob Woodward. Who exactly was Bob Woodward? Well, he wasn't a journalist. Bob Woodward had no background whatsoever in the news business. Instead, Bob Woodward came directly from the classified areas of the federal government. Shortly before Watergate, Woodward was a naval officer at the Pentagon.

He had a top-secret clearance. He worked regularly with the intel agencies. At times, Woodward was even detailed to the Nixon White House, where he interacted with Richard Nixon's top aides. Soon after leaving the Navy, for reasons that have never been clear, Woodward was hired by the most powerful news outlet in Washington and assigned the biggest story in the country. Just to make it crystal clear what was actually happening, Woodward's main source for his Watergate series was the deputy director of the FBI, Mark Felt, and Mark Felt ran — and we're not making this up — the FBI's COINTELPRO program, which was designed to secretly discredit political actors, the federal agencies wanted to destroy — people like Richard Nixon. And at the same time, those same agencies were also working to take down Nixon's elected vice president, Spiro Agnew. In the fall of 1973, Agnew was indicted for tax evasion and forced to resign. His replacement was a colorless congressman from Grand Rapids called Gerald Ford.

What was Ford's qualification for the job? Well, he had served on the Warren Commission, which absolved the CIA of responsibility for President Kennedy's murder. Nixon was strong-armed into accepting Gerald Ford by Democrats in Congress. "We gave Nixon no choice but Ford," Speaker of the House Carl Albert later boasted. Eight months later, Gerald Ford of the Warren Commission was the president of the United States. See how that works? So those are the facts, not speculation. All of that actually happened. None of it's secret. Most of it actually is on Wikipedia, but no mainstream news organization has ever told that story. It's so obvious, yet it's intentionally ignored and as a result, permanent Washington remains in charge of our political system.

Unelected lifers in the federal agencies make the biggest decisions in American government and crush anyone who tries to rein them in and in the process, our democracy becomes a joke. Now, you may have noticed that the very first person in the Trump administration the agencies went after was Gen. Michael Flynn. Why Flynn? Because Mike Flynn was a career Army intel officer who ran the Defense Intelligence Agency. In other words, Mike Flynn knew exactly how the system worked, and as a result, he was capable of fighting back. Four days after Donald Trump's inauguration, the FBI lured Mike Flynn into a meeting without his lawyer, concocted a series of fake crimes and forced him to resign.

So, that's how things actually work in Washington. Let's stop lying about it. Joe Biden, meanwhile, whooped like a hyena when the Justice Department destroyed Mike Flynn. So, there is, we have to say, a certain perverse justice in watching something very similar happen to Joe Biden himself six years later. Joe Biden does not deserve our sympathy. He's being shafted, but don't weep for him, and yet, the rest of us do deserve a better system, an actual democracy. When people nobody voted for run everything, you are not living in a free country.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I'd take RFK, but I don't trust his domestic policy positions, for example regarding healthcare and social programs. I think he'd be decent on foreign policy... but really foreign policy should be easy - how about we just mind our own business and stop acting like the world is our playground. Shouldn't be hard, and the best (BUT NOT PERFECT) president we've had since Eisenhower on that topic has frankly been Trump. And broadly speaking I feel like I can trust him on domestic policy. Again, not perfect, but my view is that he'd be better than RFK, and a f**k ton better than this geriatric wheezer we're currently dealing with. And just for a quick quip, that crap of him apologizing for calling that GD animal that killed that young lady in GA an "illegal" is 100% unacceptable. And I get that the media jumps on stories about pretty white girls being murdered by pieces of human garbage like this guy, but it's still a story, and you don't need to apologize for actually saying what he is - a person who crossed into this country without having been vetted and determined to be a safe risk to live amongst our population... this stuff is getting... well, no, it's well beyond that at this point, and any of these politicians who are laying down covering fire for these people are... well, they're going to need to be dealt with when we finally find our F**KING balls, man up, and secure the country that our forefathers bequeathed to us ungrateful, miserable, lazy leches.

American men need to reach down to their loins and find the freaking nerve that those men had. There are worse things than dying.

ETA: From the silly line in the not-so-historically-accurate movie, Braveheart, "Every man dies. Not every man truly lives". Whoever wrote that line I can almost guarantee was a libertarian.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

[MENTION=16771]Mach[/MENTION]

Well, Andrew Johnson (southern Democrat who was Lincoln's Vice President) was actually the first unelected president. He also was, I believe, the first president to be impeached by the House, but was acquitted by one vote in the Senate.

The 1800's were a really fascinating period in American history.

 

[Anti Globalist]

What were the polls saying in 2016?

I believe most polls back then were saying Hillary was going to win.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I believe most polls back then were saying Hillary was going to win.

They weren't just saying she was going to win... it was going to be a landslide.

 

[susano]

Joe Biden does not deserve our sympathy. He's being shafted, but don't weep for him, and yet, the rest of us do deserve a better system, an actual democracy. When people nobody voted for run everything, you are not living in a free country.

Why do you think he's getting shafted? He's there as a result of a stolen election and he should be in prison for what he's doing to the country.

 

[Anti Federalist]

This is what happens when you nominate someone based on feels, vibes, and gut feelings. Trump supporters are going to learn the hard way that those things don't determine elections.

You are quite right, but late to the party.

Trump isn't there to destroy the GOP.

That's already been done.

There's nobody left to run.

The people had their chance at a Milie in 2012, and rejected him.

They had their chance at a neocon hawk, and rejected him.

They had their chance at straight laced "moderate", and rejected him.

They had their chance at a bull in the china shop wrecker, and rejected him.

So there is nothing left.

Demographics determine elections.