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[Anti Globalist]

Snowball does ask a good question. No body "knows.". In fact some Trump supporters claim to "know" that he will be elected. This is the 50th or so time you made this claim. Do you have inside knowledge?

You don't need inside knowledge for something that is blatantly obvious. Trump isn't even trying to become president. His whole purpose the entire time was to wreck the GOP so badly that they become unelectable until the end of time. Why else did the Democrats tell him to infiltrate the GOP back in 2015?

 

[Anti Globalist]

I've read on these forums that the deep state super-secretly wants Trump to win.

If he doesn't win, a lot of people are going to have to revise their theories (which happens all the time here anyway).

The Deep State only wanted him to win in 2016. They needed him to ensure COVID lockdowns and Operation Warp Speed happened. Clinton was never going to be successful in accomplishing that. Not to mention they also can't have her take the fall for the medical fallout from the vaccines.

 

[RJB]

You don't need inside knowledge for something that is blatantly obvious. Trump isn't even trying to become president. His whole purpose the entire time was to wreck the GOP so badly that they become unelectable until the end of time. Why else did the Democrats tell him to infiltrate the GOP back in 2015?

Lol. I make no predictions on this coming mess. I will let you argue with those who "know" that he will win.

Actually, even beyond your claim to know, it was your statement that, "WE all know.". Who is this "We?"

 

[Occam's Banana]

I thought he had decided to run third party?

He started his campaign as a Democrat (April 2023).

Then he changed to independent (October 2023).

He has recently floated the idea of seeking the Libertarian Party nomination (January 2024).

 

[Occam's Banana]

Actually, even beyond your claim to know, it was your statement that, "WE all know.". Who is this "We?"

 

[Occam's Banana]

I'd vote for Milei. He's not on the ballot though.

Also, I'd like to point out that Milei has been authoritarian in his decision-making when it comes to his slashing the government. Lots of executive edicts to accomplish what he has done thus far, and I'm thinking he's just getting started.

Now, don't get me wrong, I don't really care, as I realize that the means justify the ends. But I'm not sure how it would go over with moral and procedural absolutists here in the U.S. My guess is that he would be ripped apart by internet pontificators (i.e. the an-cap crowd).

From what I have seen, the reaction from the "internet pontificators (i.e. the an-cap crowd)" to Milei and his actions has been overwhelmingly positive, and it's not even close.

Speaking as someone who has no particular objections to being called an "anarcho-capitalist" (even though I prefer to call myself a "post-anarcho-warlordist", if precise labels are to be insisted upon - but never mind that), I see no reason for an-caps (or any other kind of libertarians, for that matter) to object to "authoritarian [...] decision-making when it comes to [...] slashing the government". Just the opposite, in fact - I don't know of any an-caps who would complain that Milei isn't being "democratic" or "procedurally pure" enough (and I would think it extremely bizarre if I encountered one). And why should they? They don't regard "democracy" or "procedure" as being valid or legitimate excuses for any government's depredations.

IOW: The government tyrannizing the people is objectionable, but people (such as Milei) "tyrannizing" the government is not.

Or, as I said recently in another thread:

I have no problem with the idea of tryannizing the government. The government should be tyrannized.

And when it comes to booting out commies, gun grabbers, etc., if some false positives end up getting the boot along with the true positives, then that's fine, too. Again, politicians and government bureaucrats are not entitled to their offices, and no one's rights would be violated by denying them those positions, whatever the reasons (good or bad).

 

[acptulsa]

 

[acptulsa]

The worst thing I have to call them is horribly naive.

Naivete is deadly, and not just for the person who has it.

 

[nobody's_hero]

From what I have seen, the reaction from the "internet pontificators (i.e. the an-cap crowd)" to Milei and his actions has been overwhelmingly positive, and it's not even close.

Speaking as someone who has no particular objections to being called an "anarcho-capitalist" (even though I prefer to call myself a "post-anarcho-warlordist", if precise labels are to be insisted upon - but never mind that), I see no reason for an-caps (or any other kind of libertarians, for that matter) to object to "authoritarian [...] decision-making when it comes to [...] slashing the government". Just the opposite, in fact - I don't know of any an-caps who would complain that Milei isn't being "democratic" or "procedurally pure" enough (and I would think it extremely bizarre if I encountered one). And why should they? They don't regard "democracy" or "procedure" as being valid or legitimate excuses for any government's depredations.

IOW: The government tyrannizing the people is objectionable, but people (such as Milei) "tyrannizing" the government is not.

Or, as I said recently in another thread:

Maybe you missed my point.

The world's greatest nit-pickers are the an-cap crowd. And if you put two libertarians in a room together, they will debate each other to death over who is the most ideologically pure. I mean, you moderate these threads, so you know what I'm talking about. We've all been having the same debates for over a decade.

Just playing devil's advocate with my comment about Milei's authoritarian executive orders. As I said, I don't really care. I know what he's up against. He's going to have to use a little bit of tyranny for good, to achieve any significant rollback of the Argentine bureaucratic state. But that concept would not float with the 'internet pontificators.' (at least, it never has before). Some would inevitably adopt the position that 'if you give government the power to do good, you also give them the power to do evil' and then it would just be a matter of time before we 'ate our own'.

So I hope Milei stays in Argentina. If he ever made it to the states, he'd be beat over the head with purity tests.

see Philhelm's quote in my sig

 

[RJB]

Naivete is deadly, and not just for the person who has it.

So maybe, but it seemed that you were objecting to when I said that I loved my neighbor. Hell, I thought you were a bit naive with your support for RFK, but I still respect you. I brought that up because those who claim to love illegal aliens, also show a contradictory disdain for Americans. Are you telling me I should hate my neighbor? This isn't a gotcha question. I don't understand the point that you are trying to make other than to be contrary. If that's your point, fine.

 

[acptulsa]

I brought that up because those who claim to love illegal aliens, also show a contradictory disdain for Americans. Are you telling me I should hate my neighbor?

FFS this isn't a goddamn coin, where you have to choose heads or tails because there's nothing in between. WTF is this if you don't hate foreigners you have to hate Americans horse shit?

"It's a trap."

"You hate cheese."

"Of course I don't hate cheese. I'm also a mouse. I like cheese as much as you do. But I'm not touching that piece if cheese, because it's the bait in that trap."

"Since you hate cheese, you must hate mice."

"WTF are you talking about? I just told you I'm a mouse too. You can see I'm also a mouse. I'm just telling you that if you go for that particular piece of cheese, you're going to get your fool neck snapped by that trap."

"You hate mice."

Jesus H. Christ. Go, have fun trying to figure out which of the two major parties, both of which have been importing people throughout this whole millennium, does the best job pretending to suddenly hate immigrants so you can appoint their puppet evil dictator for life. I can't help you. But I'm not going any farther with this stupid conversation, because...

 

[nobody's_hero]

The Deep State only wanted him to win in 2016. They needed him to ensure COVID lockdowns and Operation Warp Speed happened. Clinton was never going to be successful in accomplishing that. Not to mention they also can't have her take the fall for the medical fallout from the vaccines.

Why wouldn't Clinton have been successful? Is that carved in stone somewhere?

The deep state has shown that they can do whatever they want, rather brazenly, and get away with it. There's no need for them to play these silly, complex political games. I mean, they don't exactly have to build a rube-goldberg machine to get what they want.



Right now, they can give Biden some ice cream in a cone, and he'll sign whatever lines they point to. Not sure Hillary likes ice cream, but I'm sure they could have found something.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Maybe you missed my point.

The world's greatest nit-pickers are the an-cap crowd. [...]

[Milei is] going to have to use a little bit of tyranny for good, to achieve any significant rollback of the Argentine bureaucratic state. But that concept would not float with the 'internet pontificators.' [...]

So I hope Milei stays in Argentina. If he ever made it to the states, he'd be beat to death with purity tests.

I didn't miss your point. I just think you are greatly overstating the case. As I pointed out, the overwhelming majority of online an-cap types seem to not only have few if any objections to what Milei is doing (or how he is doing it), but they enthusiastically approve. There are exceptions, of course (for example, the Larken Rose types might sneer, or at least adopt an affectation of indifference), but they appear to be quite distinctly in the minority. (If anything, it's the non-anarchist classical liberal types, not the an-caps, who are far more apt to be bothered by any perceived lack of proper "democratic" procedure or the like.)

And while in-fighting and factionalism among libertarians is certainly tiresome, so is the pretense by other groups that they are any less prone to such things. I mean, hell, it was, what, only a month or so ago that conservative "internet pontificators" were in an uproar and denouncing each other over a goddam calendar, of all things.

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And then there's that whole "RINOs" vs. "real" Republicans "purity test", and so on and so forth.

(IOW: "Those who live in glass houses ...", and all that.)

 

[acptulsa]

Why wouldn't Clinton have been successful?

The same reason that crime bill that turned huge numbers of blacks into prisoners (also known as slave labor) for life was written by Biden and signed by Clinton. The same reason that the PATRIOT Act, which largely nullified the Constitution, was signed by Dubya. Because American voters let "their own team" get away with literal murder.

You say they can get away with anything, but they seem not to be so overconfident because they do this all the fucking time. All the fucking time. Over and over and over again.

No, not as many people would have volunteered to be guinea pigs in that Mengele mRNA lab experiment get jabbed if Trump hadn't sold it before Biden did. And you wonder why changing parties in the White House was so important to them all of a sudden.

 

[nobody's_hero]

And while in-fighting and factionalism among libertarians is certainly tiresome, so is the pretense by other groups that they are any less prone to such things. I mean, hell, it was, what, only a month or so ago that conservative "internet pontificators" were in an uproar and denouncing each other over a goddam calendar, of all things.

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I missed that one. Got a link to that? (to the calendar I mean, I don't care about the debate)​

 

[RJB]

Dude, You're just as off your rocker as everyone else. That screed sounds like Charles Manson wrote it.

You regularly have page long arguments over BS you basically aggree on and that's what you are attempting with me. Get lost. I know half the crap said on this forum people wouldn't have the balls to say to a person's face. Pull yourself together and well talk, but you're posting nonsense.

FFS this isn't a goddamn coin, where you have to choose heads or tails because there's nothing in between. WTF is this if you don't hate foreigners you have to hate Americans horse shit?

"It's a trap."

"You hate cheese."

"Of course I don't hate cheese. I'm also a mouse. I like cheese as much as you do. But I'm not touching that piece if cheese, because it's the bait in that trap."

"Since you hate cheese, you must hate mice."

"WTF are you talking about? I just told you I'm a mouse too. You can see I'm also a mouse. I'm just telling you that if you go for that particular piece of cheese, you're going to get your fool neck snapped by that trap."

"You hate mice."

Jesus H. Christ. Go, have fun trying to figure out which of the two major parties, both of which have been importing people throughout this whole millennium, does the best job pretending to suddenly hate immigrants so you can appoint their puppet evil dictator for life. I can't help you. But I'm not going any farther with this stupid conversation, because...

 

[Occam's Banana]

I missed that one. Got a link to that?

https://ultrarightbeer.com/products/conservative-dads-real-women-of-america-2024-calendar

(to the calendar I mean, I don't care about the debate)

 

[acptulsa]

Dude, You're just as off your rocker as everyone else. That screed sounds like Charles Manson wrote it.

You regularly have page long arguments over BS you basically aggree on and that's what you are attempting with me. Get lost. I know half the crap said on this forum people wouldn't have the balls to say to a person's face. Pull yourself together and well talk, but you're posting nonsense.

Don't look now, but you aren't making any point at all.

 

[nobody's_hero]

The same reason that crime bill that turned huge numbers of blacks into prisoners (also known as slave labor) for life was written by Biden and signed by Clinton. The same reason that the PATRIOT Act, which largely nullified the Constitution, was signed by Dubya. Because American voters let "their own team" get away with literal murder.

I'm trying to figure out how that somehow makes it impossible to have pushed through COVID on Clinton's watch. The deep state *had* to have Trump to do it. They were mysteriously totally helpless to do whatever they wanted to do with Clinton.

 

[RJB]

Don't look now, but you aren't making any point at all.

You're probably right. We got a nice day here, sun's out and supposed to get up to 60. I will enjoy that vs arguing with something that may be a bot, an emotionally unstable bot at that. Good day.